Again. Nowadays songwriting credit includes everything.
Producers getting songwriter credit for their production, beats.
The fact that I have to explain this over and over is ..lol
The industry has been like that more than decades.
And again, there's nothing else different about Smash Into You than the word change. It's absolutely ridiculous to give yourself credit as part of writing a song when it was brought to you finished...you just changed a word and added some melisma. Literally every artist that covers a song puts their own flare on it, but you don't see them trying to pass it off as their creation at its core.
Again, Beyoncé is incredibly talented and she's a visionary doing things that no other artist is doing. It just frustrates me that she strives for this image of perfection and is willing to lie/stretch the truth to get there.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
Queen of song-writing. I'm glad she's winning song-writing awards with 15+ people while actual song-writers like Marina get ignored for their actual sole writing, production and talent. Poor everyone.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
Crying at you thinking the MINIMAL songwriting credit Beyonce got was solely for the word change.
Crying at you failing to hear the clear differences in production between the two performances.
Crying at you being so loud and so wrong.
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It IS just one word though. Adding some melisma and stuff is called interpreting. It's what artists do literally every time they cover a song, no legitimate artist covers a song identical note by note to the original.
That is not what interpreting is.
Jon McLaughin's version was a demo. Demo. Any musical ideas that Beyonce had that added to the composition of the song would count as a credit. Songwriting is not just lyrics, but melody too. Thus, if she creates lines of melody, then boom. Songwriting credit. And once again, it was MINIMAL songwriting credit. She could've gotten 1% of it. The fact is she owns less of that song than The-Dream and Tricky.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
2. HOLD UP
WRITTEN BY THOMAS WESLEY PENTZ, EZRA KOENIG, BEYONCÉ, EMILE HAYNIE, JOSHUA TILLMAN, UZOECHI EMENIKE, SEAN RHODEN P/K/A MELO-X, DOC POMUS, MORT SCHUMAN, DEANDRE WAY, ANTONIO RANDOLPH, KELVIN MCCONNELL, BRIAN CHASE, KAREN ORZOLEK AND NICK ZINNER
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
Omg this is extremely sad.
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The thread's title is misleading. There are like 100 writers on each song.
Why do the Hive continue to embarrass themselves in this way? Beyonce receives demos and help from writing camps just like every other major Pop act. She's no different than Rihanna, Britney, Katy, or even Whitney when she was alive. This is why Beyonce failed to win AOTY over Beck.
Judging by Beyonce's name being at the end-mids of every writing/production credit, she did not write one song of her own at all, more like received and tweaked.
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.
1 thing changed; from "Gravity can begin to pull me back to the ground" to "Gravity can't forget to pull me back to the ground again" and all of a sudden:
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Writer(s)
Beyoncé Knowles Ryan Tedder E. Kidd Bogart
I wonder if she'll ever write, produce, and record a whole album completely by herself and get a 90+ metacritic score with it. That'd be impressive.
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The day a performer is able to write and produce their entire body of work by themselves is the day I will have 100000% respect for them. That will be the day when I will call them an actual artist, you know like a painter, can you imagine *looks at the list of "co painters" on this painting*..
why are you so obsessed with singer-songwriters? yes, singer-songwriters are amazing but it doesn't mean that artists like beyonce are less amazing if they can't write and produce their album all by themselves. she's a performer first and she's good at what she does.
The day a performer is able to write and produce their entire body of work by themselves is the day I will have 100000% respect for them. That will be the day when I will call them an actual artist, you know like a painter, can you imagine *looks at the list of "co painters" on this painting*..
A lot of big painters that are considered great had loads of students that basically painted their painting for them in their style and they just added their signature to the ones they liked
Right? Example, the song "Smack Into You" by Jon McLaughlin was released and at the time it was written and produced by The Dream. Beyonce ended up using it for her album - same lyrics, almost identical production. However, one word was changed (yes, one). It changed from "Smack" to "Smash", and surprisingly Beyonce got BOTH credits for writing and producing.