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Celeb News: Slate magazine on Rihanna's success
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
FMKDFMKMDF!!!  this thread isn't about Britney though, one of several artists who I stan for. Are you going to bring up Michael, Mariah, Kelly Ckarkson, etc. next just to prove a baseless point? but since you brought it up, in terms of being manufactured: Rihanna > Britney. And Britney has written many songs with substance, the same can't be said for Rihanna. Britney has also co-produced, executive produced her DWAD tour, composed music, plays piano and has contributed her piano skills to her music, choreographed, came up with the concept to many of her videos with the most recent being 'Criminal' -- in terms of talent: Britney Spears > Rihanna.
And Britney has nothing to prove at this point considering she's already made her mark and is embedded in pop culture and pop music and became a pop dominance off one song as to where it took Rihanna several to become a household name. Stay on topic next time. |
You are always in every Rihanna thread. Why? You say the same thing every week and no one gives a ****. It's tired. I don't see how you can hate someone and check for them 24/7.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Gaga is a good songwriter.
I disagree.
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Then you simply disagree, the point is that Britney has already proven herself long ago and is embedded in pop culture. The same can't be said for Rihanna, Rihanna is still in her prime and still has A LOT to prove, the masses don't take her serious as a performer, vocalist, or anything because she has yet to have any highly memeroable defining moments in her career, she delivers consistent lackluster performances. It's going on 7 years now....
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
And I personally believe that Rihanna has it also. You may not like it but it's there.
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It's not, she misses it. There is not much about her (as a person) that makes her memorable, her generic trash is the only thing that keeps her going.
Forbes agrees.
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Originally posted by Beyond Say
I read this somewhere else and although there is a lot of shade throwing, I find it to be very true.
In 1982, when Madonna released her first album, she was opening for New Edition; 5 years later she headlining sold-out football stadiums. In 1999, Britney Spears was performing in amusement parks and opening for *NSYNC; 2 years later she was a household name, who was selling out arenas and breaking album sales records. In 2009, Lady Gaga was opening for the Pussycat Dolls; 2 years later she was cultural icon who with the 4th highest grossing tour EVER by a female artist. When you look at Rihanna's peers and influences you will invariably see exponential artistic and commericial growth. Rihanna, by comparison, is essentially as we found her 6 years ago: a popular, pretty face, with danceable hits, who is unable to establish herself on the same albums/touring/influence level as her competitors. She has definitely become a pop music superstar, but her career has been one of consistency, as opposed to iconic innovation. When you look at the current pop music trinity (Godney, Godga, and Beysus) each of them has had TV concert specials, each of them has had a tour gross at least $100 million, each of them has had a #1 album in the United States, and each of them are bonafide pop icons in the minds of the general public and their stans.
The challange for Rihanna's team in 2012, is to make her stand out in the minds of the average non-stan. They must find a way to make Rihanna a part of a memorable pop culture moment that does not involve Chris Brown's knuckles. The easiest way to reach the masses is through high-profile performances; (Grammys, VMAs, BET Awards, TV concert specials, Super Bowl, the White House Fish Fry, etc) but if you've ever seen Rihanna perform live, you know that this poses a challenge. For obvious reasons, Rihanna probably won't be singing the National Anthem at anybody's Super Bowl; as far as award shows are concerned, the BET Awards have never really used her, the VMAs haven't seen it for her since "Disturbia", and the Grammys have never booked her to perform without pairing her with someone far more entertaining (The Time in 2008, Chris Brown in 2009, and Drake in 2011). 2011 was another big singles year for Rihanna, but she continued to be overshadowed in other areas. Katy Perry had 5 #1 singles from one album and sold far more concert tickets in America than Rihanna. Lady Gaga's first headlining tour grossed more than all of Rihanna's tours put together; and Rihanna's best first week album sales was lower than Beyonce's worst week. Yes, Rihanna has found a comfortable and respectable lane, but her success or failure in 2012 (and beyond) will boil down to her making herself important to people outside of her stanbase.
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While Rihanna is growing on me more & more with each era, this post is nothing but the pure honest to God truth.
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And the fact that people are so anxious to mention her in the same sentence as these legends, whether it be good or bad, speaks volume in itself. Good or bad, people can't seem to keep her name out of their mouths. She must be doing something right.
She's manufactured, but she's dabbled in country, europop, house, hip-hop & R&B, reggae, dance, and rock and excelled/ been successful in all. Being a so called "chameleon" works for her. Y'all always say people will get tired of her, but why is she having one of the most successful years of her career while most of her contemporaries are falling short?
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
FMKDFMKMDF!!! this thread isn't about Britney though, one of several artists who I stan for. Are you going to bring up Michael, Mariah, Kelly Ckarkson, etc. next just to prove a baseless point? but since you brought it up, in terms of being manufactured: Rihanna > Britney. And Britney has written many songs with substance, the same can't be said for Rihanna. Britney has also co-produced, executive produced her DWAD tour, composed music, plays piano and has contributed her piano skills to her music, choreographed, came up with the concept to many of her videos with the most recent being 'Criminal' -- in terms of talent: Britney Spears > Rihanna.
And Britney has nothing to prove at this point considering she's already made her mark and is embedded in pop culture and pop music and became a pop dominance off one song as to where it took Rihanna several to become a household name. Stay on topic next time. |
mad? 
Britney is so unique and not manufactured at all.
I hope that will help you sleep at night 
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and since you didn't reply to my statement before, i will repeat it: the article has hateful undertones. they aren't even trying to show any type of objectivity when discussing rihanna's success and her career. the person clearly has an agenda. But of course ATRLers will take anything they read as gospel if it's similar to their own personal opinion of an artist.
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Member Since: 8/15/2010
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Originally posted by Яeo.
1) I didn't bring 'Bad Kids' up, somebody else did.
2) Part to couple of songs, her discography is nothing extraordinary lyrics-wise.
3) My main point was, if people are attacking Rihanna for not writing her hits, they should look at their own fave writing skills, which is assisted by other writers. I actually didn't mention any artist, I just said that Taylor Swift and P!nk are the only Pop artist that fully write their whole albums and some of their lyrics are above average from today's Pop standards. Then somebody brought up the fact that GaGa write all of her music, which is false, and I added that her lyrics are 'nothing to be proud of'.
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It's not, I need the receipts though. Where are those monsters?
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Either they meant 75 million records.
Or they meant 75 million albums (her solo 25 + 50 from DC)
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I really don't know what people want from Rihanna these days.
Despite being her most critically praised, Rated R was panned commercially, saved only by the one upbeat song placed on the album. She's given deep, introspective, emotionally-fueled work and the public wasn't here for it. She is an artist first and foremost and has to do what sells. Don't let this article or anyone else fool you into believing every other artist isn't doing the same.
Rihanna will never live up to the standards set by Britney, Beyonce, Janet, or Madonna - not because the talent, achievements and credits aren't there - but because people don't want to see it. People always have issues with their faves or icons of their time being outshined by someone newer. You see it all the time with people saying things like "No one will ever be on the same level as Michael/Madonna/Beatles, etc.
A 1 hit wonder? Sorry no. A 1-hit wonder reaches success based on the music. Stan, neutral, and hater alike have to admit that a large portion of the time, Rihanna sells based on her name alone. That is no 1-hit wonder. She is a brand and people love it.
Some may say Rihanna is none of these things, doesn't have the talent or chops to match her success, but I do have to ask, why are nearly all the heavyweights in the industry in support of her?
Jay-Z doesn't work with just anybody. Kanye doesn't work with just anybody. Adele, arguably the biggest star in the world at the moment, who doesn't even make pop music has publicly stated she wants to work with her. Coldplay NEVER collaborates with anyone, yet chose Little Miss Sunshine herself to be apart of their recent album. Britney damn Spears has never been featured on any song save a Rihanna track.
I'm far more inclined to believe these nobody "music critics" and stans of other artists are the ones delusional rather than a good portion of the industry.
Flop magazine. Flop article. Flop thread.
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Originally posted by Deemy
You are always in every Rihanna thread. Why? You say the same thing every week and no one gives a ****. It's tired. I don't see how you can hate someone and check for them 24/7.
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But yet you seem to notice me, this thread is open for discussion among the entire board. And I never implied nor said I "hated" Rihanna, the **** son? stop reaching 
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by G4L
 of course it is!!! and it can't be put on a scale, there is no way to "measure" talent. |
Talent is not subjective when speaking on vocal and performance skills. Either you have it or you don't.
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In a sense, getting out of the way is what Rihanna does best. There’s something paradoxical about her: She’s a pop star you almost forget is there.
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Ive been saying this forever.
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Member Since: 8/15/2010
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Originally posted by KΔΥ.ΒΣΣ
And the fact that people are so anxious to mention her in the same sentence as these legends, whether it be good or bad, speaks volume in itself. Good or bad, people can't seem to keep her name out of their mouths. She must be doing something right.
She's manufactured, but she's dabbled in country, europop, house, hip-hop & R&B, reggae, dance, and rock and excelled/ been successful in all. Being a so called "chameleon" works for her. Y'all always say people will get tired of her, but why is she having one of the most successful years of her career while most of her contemporaries are falling short?
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I disagree.
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Member Since: 5/17/2010
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Originally posted by Wilkes
It's not, she misses it. There is not much about her (as a person) that makes her memorable, her generic trash is the only thing that keeps her going.
Forbes agrees.
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I honestly could care less about her as a person. As long as the music is something I like, I'm here for it.
Would it be nice to see it bit more of her personality? Yes. Does she need to do that to make great music? No.
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Originally posted by Kisses (To ATRL)
This basically sums up my thoughts about Rihanna. It's the lack of artistic integrity. I can't believe this women went from an amazing album like "Rated R", then turned around and released some ******** like "Loud". "Rated R" wasn't as successful as her other efforts, but it showed promise and growth, not to mention it was her most critically acclaimed album. Instead of continuing the path of artistry, she went backwards. She compromised her work for number one hits.
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"Rated R" was critically acclaimed because she had been thru an incident that she couldn't ignore..the music was darker and the lyrics had some meaning. She wasn't going to be in that mindset forever. The "Loud" era was different because she was in a different space. At the end of the day, the music biz is about producing hits and money. She couldn't continue on the somberness of "Rated R"..
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
And I personally believe that Rihanna has it also. You may not like it but it's there.
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She does or she wouldn't still be here, but her massive success doesn't match her starpower.
I don't usually pull the no #1 album card, but it means something.
How an album opens has to do with the singer's starpower.
How an album keeps selling has to do with the hit songs that are on it.
Rihanna's albums always open relatively soft based on her name, but tend to keep selling based on the hits they contain.
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Originally posted by Nicole
The article isn't just about who writes their songs.
The article talks about how Rihanna's starpower is more the result of all her hit songs than some natural quality/talent she possesses.
Yes, Britney was manufactured by her label (like almost all artists signed to a major label) but she became a star instantaneously. She just had it. It wasn't as a result of years and years of hits.
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How you ever thought of the reason why has been making hit after hit for 6 years straight without people getting bored?
Honestly, other than Beyonce, I don't see any other artist that shine based solely on their talent. Their 'startpower' is based on controversies and acts that gets the media attention.
People just love Rihanna's exotic voice, and throughout the years she has gained people and artists respect through the whole world. Everyone desires her. Every one knows her. She's one of the most successful artists today, if not, the. Even though people never give her the credit, but her albums sell a lot. GGGB sold 8m+, Rated R 4m+, Loud 5.8m+, and who knows how much TTT will sell.
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Originally posted by ManDown
It is. An artist you or somebody else finds talented might be talentless to another person.
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No. It is the appreciation of the art (which is the result or the product of a talent) that is subjective. For example, Whitney and Mariah have great voices. Forget about the fact that some people who hate them may say otherwise, but one can say that the way Whitney used her voice in that ballad is subpar or Whitney's music is awful. That is subjective.
I don't think talent can be that subjective, mostly for a singer. Either you know how to sing or you don't, either you know how to dance or you don't, either you know how to perform or you don't. It is simple.
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Originally posted by Wilkes
It's not, I need the receipts though. Where are those monsters?
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I mean...she's said it like 6,000 times. Her producers have said that she does everything. Fernando was quoted saying that usually producers write everything and give the artist writing credit, but in her case she wrote everything and gave her producers writing credit for their input.
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