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Celeb News: Slate magazine on Rihanna's success
Member Since: 8/15/2010
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Rihanna is more talented than Gaga.
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I'm at breaking point with this new Rihanna hype and these unvalidated points.
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Member Since: 12/9/2007
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Originally posted by Яeo.
You missed my point. I'm not saying that Rihanna is a great writer, but 3/4 of the Pop artist out there who write their music lyrics are nothing to be proud of, since the lyrics can be written by pretty much anybody else.
If Rihanna's music is dumb, she can hide behind the fact that she didn't write any of it. The others have no excuses.
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But Rihanna can choose what songs she wants to record. So if she records a song with horrible lyrics, doesn't that fall on her?
As for GaGa, I'm not going to be all delusional and say she's the GREATEST SONGWRITER OF ALL TIME OMGGGGG but compared to other female pop stars writing their own music at the moment, she takes the prize of being the best (what's her competition: Katy Perry? Ke$ha?). And some of her lyrics are genuinely clever and not embarrassing.
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Member Since: 11/24/2009
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The article isn't just about who writes their songs.
The article talks about how Rihanna's starpower is more the result of all her hit songs than some natural quality/talent she possesses.
Yes, Britney was manufactured by her label (like almost all artists signed to a major label) but she became a star instantaneously. She just had it. It wasn't as a result of years and years of hits.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Ultimately Rihanna is lazy and laid back which is fine, It's obvious she IS capable of more, but when she feels she needs to do more she will. I enjoy her for what she brings to the table now. |
Its not that obvious.
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Member Since: 9/21/2010
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
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There's more to talent than playing a piano.
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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I'm sorry but you will not come after Gaga's lyrics. Even though some of her lyrics are cringe worthy.
'I just want loads of friends that invite me to their parties' 
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Member Since: 11/29/2010
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Slant is usually very accurate. And i see no lies in this article as well.
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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What else is there to say? Other than them inflating my sis album sales a bit everything is pretty much accurate.
*Leaves*
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by BnPac
Not really.
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It is. An artist you or somebody else finds talented might be talentless to another person.
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Member Since: 5/17/2010
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Originally posted by Nicole
The article isn't just about who writes their songs.
The article talks about how Rihanna's starpower is more the result of all her hit songs than some natural quality/talent she possesses.
Yes, Britney was manufactured by her label (like almost all artists signed to a major label) but she became a star instantaneously. She just had it. It wasn't as a result of years and years of hits.
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And I personally believe that Rihanna has it also. You may not like it but it's there.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Wrote this in another thread yesterday:
Just because Gaga pairs seemingly meaningly repeated phrases with catchy hooks does not mean that she is a bad songwriter.
In fact, she is rather good at using double meanings and making puns in her songs so as to illicit multiple interpretations.
In Poker Face, yes she repeats syllables throughout the song, but the entire song is full of sexual puns. "I wanna hold 'em like they do in Texas please, fold them, let 'em hit me, raise it baby stay with me." "Bluffin with my muffin" refers to the songs whole meaning about her poker face actually being her fantasizing about a woman when she is with a man, hence having a poker face. Not to mention the fact that she slipped in the phrase "p-p-p-poker face p-p-**** HER FACE" with the vast majority of the millions listening to her song completely unaware of it.
In Bad Romance, yes she repeats the "rah rah rah" hook, but the entire song is metaphor for her "bad romance" with the music industry, commenting on her desire for fame and wanting every part of it, the bad parts ("ugly", "disease") and the good. Her Hitchcock film references are pure sexual pun genius: "I want your Psycho, your Vertigo schtick. Want you in my Rear Window, baby you're sick."
"If he's the moon, then I'm eclipsed. I'm so lunar, yeah, when I get to him, I'll run him over with my rocket ship." -Future Love
"We are not just art for Michelangelo to carve, he can't rewrite the agro of my furied heart."-Bloody Mary
"I'll wash his feet with my hair if he needs. Forgive him when his tongue lies through his brain, even after three times he betrays me."-Judas (the biblical references in this song are pretty impressive, despite it semi-flopping)
Yes, she can be crazy and spontaneous with her lyrics, and sometimes they don't make complete sense, but she is very creative with in her songwriting and has a knack for slipping hidden meanings and messages into songs that require multiple listens and careful attention. She may not be the best songwriter ever, but she is certainly pretty good and very unique. Above all, she actually DOES write her lyrics, with little to no help, which separates her from the vast majority of her contemporaries that either do not write any of their lyrics, co-write alongside 3-5 other writers (i.e. Katy Perry), and/or seek writing credits for lyrics they had little or no input on.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by rihannafan
The point is that gaga is not a great songwrier and her stans should stop saying so
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Rihanna is more talented than Gaga.
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Let's talk about that for a while. 
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Member Since: 10/29/2011
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Originally posted by rihannafan
The point is that gaga is not a great songwrier and her stans should stop saying so
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we are not saying her she is the best songwriter, we are saying her lyrics are something to be proud of.
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
Rihanna is more talented than Gaga.
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Member Since: 10/24/2011
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This basically sums up my thoughts about Rihanna. It's the lack of artistic integrity. I can't believe this women went from an amazing album like "Rated R", then turned around and released some ******** like "Loud". "Rated R" wasn't as successful as her other efforts, but it showed promise and growth, not to mention it was her most critically acclaimed album. Instead of continuing the path of artistry, she went backwards. She compromised her work for number one hits.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by Deemy
There's more to talent than playing a piano.
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LAWDDDD
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Member Since: 2/17/2010
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
You said GaGa lyrics are nothing to be proud of, and then brought up obvious songs like "Bad Kids". While her discography as a whole possesses a lot of genius lyrics. And all lyrics can pretty much be written by anybody else. That's just an excuse to be difficult.
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1) I didn't bring 'Bad Kids' up, somebody else did.
2) Part to couple of songs, her discography is nothing extraordinary lyrics-wise.
3) My main point was, if people are attacking Rihanna for not writing her hits, they should look at their own fave writing skills, which is assisted by other writers. I actually didn't mention any artist, I just said that Taylor Swift and P!nk are the only Pop artist that fully write their whole albums and some of their lyrics are above average from today's Pop standards. Then somebody brought up the fact that GaGa write all of her music, which is false, and I added that her lyrics are 'nothing to be proud of'.
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Member Since: 12/9/2007
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Originally posted by ManDown
All of those things are still important, but it depends on the artist. Do we expect Adele to slay some complex choreography? Of course not. Do we expect Britney to deliver us to the high heavens with live vocals? Of course not. Do we expect Fantasia to take English classes so she can learn how to write a song? Of course not. Each artist is stronger in different departments than others. Rihanna's strong point right now is her image. Some artists, such as Susan Boyle, don't rely on their image at all. But with pop artists, image is everything. And Rihanna is one of the few pop artists that always sing live at their concerts, for better or worse. She has most definitely improved over the years.
Do I wish that she would work harder on her vocals? Yes. Dance more? Hell yeah. Write more of her songs? You betcha. But what I want and what the general public/Def Jam/Rihanna wants are two completely different things.
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Bitch you didn't!
I think we could end this debate with your post. 
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Member Since: 3/23/2011
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
This thread isn't about Gaga.
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But Gaga is the Queen of Pop so ofc they have to bring her up. 
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Originally posted by _roc la familia .
LMAO.
He'll look ~~*"pressed"*~~ all the way to the bank to cash his Slate Magazine check. |
That's nice..but why invest your time knocking someone down? But in any event, it's happened to pretty much every pop star..and they continue to get money and prove people wrong(ie, Janet and Madonna).
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