[hot mess]

Originally posted by Howie

This is how the hierarchy goes

Straight White Men
Straight White Women
Straight Black Men
Gay Black Men
Straight Black Women
Gay Black Women

where are gay white men? gay white women? other straight minorities? other gay minorities?

[Kkamjong]

Originally posted by RudeBoyy

It’s moved along for the gay community, for the African-American community,

It has? Since when? So by her logic Black gays have it better then rich white women? K sis :rolleyees:

Did I inspire this post with my post in the other thread?

Most white women aren't rich though? What kind of logic are you trying to use?

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Originally posted by Espresso

Magazines aren't a good venue for topics this heavy because they only have room for sound bites.

There's so much context I would have asked for as the interviewer to delve further into how she feels about the topic.

Now the internet's running in circles bickering past each other in a giant broken-record reaction of Oppression Olympics.

Incredibly counter-productive.

This issue deserved better. Madonna is better than this. Or so I thought.

The interviewer did ask for more clarification

Coming from Madonna, the analysis seems significant. I ask her to elaborate. “Women are still the most marginalized group,” she says. “They’re still the group that people won’t let change.” To be a successful woman, she asserts, “you must fit into this box: You must behave this way, dress this way.” Immediately after our first interview, Madonna was snapped by a paparazzo upon exiting the building and endured criticism from The Daily Mail for wearing a “sheer corset, which left little to the imagination.” This seems to be Madonna’s point: Thirty-three years after she became, by her own reckoning, the first female pop star to make use of subcultures and to express herself “with an overt sexuality through her work” (“Before me, if it was anyone,” she says, “maybe Debbie Harry, but she was less overt”), Madonna’s costume changes are still attracting harassment from tabloid moralists.

She continues: “You’re still categorized — you’re still either a virgin or a *****. If you’re a certain age, you’re not allowed to express your sexuality, be single, or date younger men.” Now in her 50s, Madonna has become a cougar virtuoso, cycling through three male-model boyfriends under the age of 30 in less than four years. This is behavior, Madonna points out, for which “a man would never be questioned or criticized.” Madonna seems to be thinking primarily of straight men: Grand old queens with a taste for youth, like Liberace — or Stephen Fry — might empathize with Madonna’s predicament.

[Flare]

Originally posted by hot mess

it's true though

even in the most conservative countries like mauritius, violence towards LGBT or people of ethnic minorities is denounced by the government and the educated

but biases towards women is so accepted and engrained in everyone's heads even in the developed world

most people don't think it's wrong that women have to play an accepted role or subordinate to men

most people think it's right that women "should dress the right way" or don't go out alone or late at night or they will suffer the consequences

their issues are harder to fight because it's ingrained in the mentality and culture of everyone and it's not so blatant like homophobia and racism

See the issue with your logic is that being racist (towards darker-skinned people specifically) and being homophobic are not only blatant but ingrained in societies all around the world.

Being sexist and treating women as inferior is ingrained but WAY less blatant over the past 100 years worldwide and even less rapidly ingrained as you get closer to present-day (a man cannot tell a woman to make him a sandwich in any professional place or even informally without getting fired/dragged. that small statement can ruin a whole career in many countries) . This is unlike being homophobic or racist which only have been making real progress in let's say the past 40 years globally (and let's not even get any deeper into homophobia when it's only truly made leaps and bounds in like the last 10 years in all aspects. pre 2010s wasn't all that gay-friendly at all).

[Lover]

Originally posted by hot mess

it's true though

even in the most conservative countries like mauritius, violence towards LGBT or people of ethnic minorities is denounced by the government and the educated

but biases towards women is so accepted and engrained in everyone's heads even in the developed world

most people don't think it's wrong that women have to play an accepted role or subordinate to men

most people think it's right that women "should dress the right way" or don't go out alone or late at night or they will suffer the consequences

their issues are harder to fight because it's ingrained in the mentality and culture of everyone and it's not so blatant like homophobia and racism

[hot mess]

Originally posted by Flare

See the issue with your logic is that being racist (towards darker-skinned people specifically) and being homophobic are not only blatant but ingrained in societies all around the world.

Being sexist and treating women as inferior is ingrained but WAY less blatant over the past 100 years worldwide and even less rapidly ingrained as you get closer to present-day (a man cannot tell a woman to make him a sandwich in any professional place or even informally without getting fired/dragged. that small statement can ruin a whole career in many countries) . This is unlike being homophobic or racist which only have been making real progress in let's say the past 40 years globally (and let's not even get any deeper into homophobia when it's only truly made leaps and bounds in like the last 10 years in all aspects. pre 2010s wasn't all that gay-friendly at all).

using a similar scenario to yours, if a person in a professional place told a black or gay person that she shouldn't be allowed to be here because she's black or gay, that person would be fired. there would be little to no debate on it because that's such blatant bias and it's hard to argue

but with your own scenario, normal people would think it's funny and not a big deal. "it's just a joke" would be said and often even accepted. remember the women walking around NYC for hours video? people were telling her she should be thanking them for their compliments lmao

you're right that that colorism and homophobia is ingrained in the mentality of many around the world, but the women thing is not even considered a big deal to many. even homophobes and racists will often bite their tongues because they know they'll get dragged. remember the harvard president who said women are not fit for math and science? he's not going to say that about blacks or gays

[t.A.T.u.]

she didn't lie, tho

[Blue Momo!]

What about a black gay woman!!!

[Thor]

Why has she been playing the victim, lately?

This statement is just careless and ignorant. Smdh!

[HASHTAGPOW]

Queen

[theo.]

Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A

Here's the deal, you can't compare misogyny with homophobia and racism because they are different subjects (even though homophobia stems from misogyny) but if you only belong in one of the minorities mentioned already then you have privilege on the other subjects, that's why white gay men still have privilege.

Exactly.

Oh Madge.

[SuperLolita]

Can this old bitch disappear already
The media is trying to make her interesting but it's not working imo

[Lover]

Originally posted by SuperLolita

Can this old bitch disappear already
The media is trying to make her interesting but it's not working imo

looks like she's interesting enough for U...#livingforlove

[RatedG²]

She's such an intellectual woman but sometime she can be a little off. She is human

[jhonyguy04]

It shouldn't be a competition...

[MaoMars]

Originally posted by CakeLike

Last time i checked women weren't getting killed by law across the world for being women!

Sorry to break it to you but it has been happening for centuries.

[Nhật Thực]

Originally posted by judaskills

Oppressed is Oppressed. And if she wants to go that route, you can still legally be fired for being gay. You can't be fired for being a woman.

Nobody being fired because they´re gay

[MaoMars]

Originally posted by hot mess

it's true though

even in the most conservative countries like mauritius, violence towards LGBT or people of ethnic minorities is denounced by the government and the educated

but biases towards women is so accepted and engrained in everyone's heads even in the developed world

most people don't think it's wrong that women have to play an accepted role or subordinate to men

most people think it's right that women "should dress the right way" or don't go out alone or late at night or they will suffer the consequences

their issues are harder to fight because it's ingrained in the mentality and culture of everyone and it's not so blatant like homophobia and racism

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[that G.U.Y.]

Mess. Let me cancel the shipment of my copy of Rebel Heart. I don't want to spend extra money that I could donate to struggling women.

[MaoMars]

Originally posted by judaskills

Oppressed is Oppressed. And if she wants to go that route, you can still legally be fired for being gay. You can't be fired for being a woman.

yes you can, in a lot of countries you won't be allowed to receive education or work if you are a woman.