Discussion: Has Beyoncé already surpassed Mariah and Whitney? - Page 11

jose168

still screaming at that #42 peak in australia. this is after the bodyguard.

Beyoncé would never. I'm sure it had longevity there tho

jose168

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Originally posted by A Little Unruly

Yes. ATRL won't have it, though.

Especially Whitney. She was barely poppin' for 15 years, never pushed any boundaries musically and doesn't even have a proper great or classic album. She's really just a vocal legend. Beyoncé has done sooo much more, tbh.

whew at this tea

2AM

My Love Is Your Love was without a doubt bigger than Lemonade outside the US.

Chimier

If the only argument someone has for Beyonce surpassing Whitney Houston is "Lemonade outdid My Love is Your Love", that's something to laugh at. When facts and stats already show that this isn't completely true, you really should either ignore or respond with derision.

jose168

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Originally posted by Chimier

If the only argument someone has for Beyonce surpassing Whitney Houston is "Lemonade outdid My Love is Your Love", that's something to laugh at. When facts and stats already show that this isn't completely true, you really should either ignore or respond with derision.

everything from my love is your love to deceased was a commercial failure and she became a laughing stock. point being whitney had no longevity. Beyonce will continue to do well for years to come

JonginBey

Chimier

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Originally posted by jose168

everything from my love is your love to deceased was a commercial failure and she became a laughing stock. point being whitney had no longevity. Beyonce will continue to do well for years to come

Yup. You sure told me.

IMPACTNET.

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Originally posted by PrettyHurts

Was she or was she not a part of Destiny's Child? Answer the question
It's part of her career, period

In regards to sales, Beyoncé and Drstiny's Child are two separate artists. It is not fair to compare the sales from two acts, with the sales of solo artists. The fact that you all have to even include her work with Destiny's Child just to compare her to Mariah and Whitney attests to how she has not surpassed them.

Mr. Wonder

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Originally posted by A Little Unruly

Yes. ATRL won't have it, though.

Especially Whitney. She was barely poppin' for 15 years, never pushed any boundaries musically and doesn't even have a proper great or classic album. She's really just a vocal legend. Beyoncé has done sooo much more, tbh.

Again, between Whitney, Mariah, and Beyonce, only one of them has an album on Rolling Stone's GOAT album list. Guess which one it is?

As for her "barely poppin' for 15 years", if anything that's commendable. Look at how much she accomplished in that time frame.

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Originally posted by g.m.

That said, I will say that all hats are off to Bey for only getting bigger with time. Most artists reach their peak within their first ten years and Bey has managed to turn that on its head. That's huge in the youth-obsessed and increasingly short attention-span age we live in now.

Also, ya'll have to stop with this only getting bigger narrative. The only avenue that suggests she's getting bigger are touring stats. Her sales don't reflect her "only getting bigger". The charts don't reflect her "only getting bigger".

Social media has given this generation a false sense of popularity.

2AM

Whitney may not have experimented a lot musically or "pushed the boundaries" in pop music, BUT she set the standard for vocalists around the world and across all genres.
Just a vocal legend?
No, she's The Voice
Anyone who sings popular music knows and respects Whitney Houston, that cannot be pushed under the rug.

g.m.

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Originally posted by jose168

chart peaks globally show it underperformed everywhere. the 15mil # is bogus clearly. and that aside the market was different, any run of the mil album sold millions.

I took it from Billboard so maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but it still was a successful album globally and spawned several hit singles. Certainly not the "flop" you called it.

Mr. Wonder

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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.

In regards to sales, Beyoncé and Drstiny's Child are two separate artists. It is not fair to compare the sales from two acts, with the sales of solo artists. The fact that you all have to even include her work with Destiny's Child just to compare her to Mariah and Whitney attests to how she has not surpassed them.

Exactly. If Beyonce has surpassed Whitney and Mariah, her solo career would be able to stand on its own merits.

C.Damen

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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.

No, because I enjoyed playing jose168 at their own flawed logic. And like you said, I was the one debating jose168, not you. You didn't even have to respond to my posts in the first place.

This is a public music forum. I am allowed to reply to any posts I would like very freely.

Right?

Soapp

Not to mention Whitney's Xmas album only peaked at number 49

. If Beyonce released a Christmas album at this point in her career, it would go straight to number one with over close to 200k sales first week I bet

PrettyHurts

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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.

In regards to sales, Beyoncé and Drstiny's Child are two separate artists. It is not fair to compare the sales from two acts, with the sales of solo artists. The fact that you all have to even include her work with Destiny's Child just to compare her to Mariah and Whitney attests to how she has not surpassed them.

I don't remember anyone in this thread posting any DC sales or receipts

Nemo

This thread needs to be closed.

jose168

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Originally posted by Soapp

Not to mention Whitney's Xmas album only peaked at number 49

. If Beyonce released a Christmas album at this point in her career, it would go straight to number one with over close to 200k sales first week I bet

oh god i hope not. Beyonce doesn't need tacky xmas music to keep a dying music career afloat like whitney did.

Soapp

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Originally posted by jose168

oh god i hope not. Beyonce doesn't need tacky xmas music to keep a dying music career afloat like whitney did.

True but whew imagine if she did. Can you also imagine someone of Beyonce's stature doing reality TV? I sure can't.

T.C

Now i understand Jose's hesitance

g.m.

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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder

Also, ya'll have to stop with this only getting bigger narrative. The only avenue that suggests she's getting bigger are touring stats. Her sales don't reflect her "only getting bigger". The charts don't reflect her "only getting bigger".

Social media has given this generation a false sense of popularity.

No, her celebrity and impact are indeed bigger now than before. Difficult to deny and I won't get into touring stats just like I won't get into record sales since obviously touring stats will favour Bey since the touring industry is up and sales will favour older acts since the record industry is down.