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Discussion: Katy or Gaga: The voice of our generation?
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
I still don't see you naming more issues.  |
The fact you believe that the only political issue that rivals Gaga's LGBT work is the economy says enough.
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Originally posted by Kats
The fact you believe that the only political issue that rivals Gaga's LGBT work is the economy says enough. |
No, I said LGBT rights are the big issue, and that her support for them is important. You accused me of not comprehending reading earlier but I'd love to know where I said Gaga's support itself was bigger than every issue but the economy.
Please try again.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
Okay, never mind, we won't be agreeing any time soon.
Yeah.
Her LGBT work might not affect the majority directly, but you cannot deny that it is among the largest political and societal issues of this generation, and as such her work toward equality is an important factor, along with her work against all bullying and her self-empowerment message to all people.
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How can somebody be a voice over a generation if they aren't affecting the majority.  Gaga's message may be "I'm against all bullying" (which it is) but to the GP all they saw in BTW was an anthem for the gays, and you can't deny that. It's not like it was a bad thing, but only the gays were using that song. The rest of the GP (straights, religious people, etc) were turned off by the image and song. Gaga is very vocal, nobody is denying that. But that doesn't make you the voice of a generation. Katy appeals to more than just gay guys, but she appeals to straight guys, little girls, teenage girls, and moms. Her fanbase is all over the place which means she's affecting more than just one target group. And Katy may not be talking about all her works in helping others or the charities she's a part of in interviews, but she does do her part and donate back to those who need it, which should be commended.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
Her LGBT work; but you cannot deny that it is among the largest political and societal issues of this generation, and as such her work toward equality is an important factor, along with her work against all bullying and her self-empowerment message to all people.
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You said it yourself.
"Her LGBT work".
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Originally posted by Kats
You said it yourself.
"Her LGBT work".
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I edited it to be more clear, I hope you realize I'm right now.
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Originally posted by pika
How can somebody be a voice over a generation if they aren't affecting the majority. Gaga's message may be "I'm against all bullying" (which it is) but to the GP all they saw in BTW was an anthem for the gays, and you can't deny that. It's not like it was a bad thing, but only the gays were using that song. The rest of the GP (straights, religious people, etc) were turned off by the image and song. Gaga is very vocal, nobody is denying that. But that doesn't make you the voice of a generation. Katy appeals to more than just gay guys, but she appeals to straight guys, little girls, teenage girls, and moms. Her fanbase is all over the place which means she's affecting more than just one target group. And Katy may not be talking about all her works in helping others or the charities she's a part of in interviews, but she does do her part and donate back to those who need it, which should be commended. |
When has any "voice of a generation" been required to be in favor of the majority? A person whose social and cultural efforts outpace those of all others is considered the voice of a generation. The mere fact that LGBT groups are in the minority doesn't detract from the importance of the issue itself. I think LGBT individuals being treated like regular people is preetttyy important, no? Even if it were just for the gays, it's a major issue at a level above most others. It's not about pleasing everyone or directly altering the lives of the majority, it's about making a difference for the better.
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Originally posted by ****ingbitch
Definitely Katy!
Lady Gaga isn't that great of a singer and she uses too much autotune, imo.  |
Can't with this
Gaga of course.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
I edited it to be more clear, I hope you realize I'm right now.
When has any "voice of a generation" been required to be in favor of the majority? A person whose social and cultural efforts outpace those of all others is considered the voice of a generation. The mere fact that LGBT groups are in the minority doesn't detract from the importance of the issue itself. I think LGBT individuals being treated like regular people is preetttyy important, no? Even if it were just for the gays, it's a major issue at a level above most others. It's not about pleasing everyone or directly altering the lives of the majority, it's about making a difference for the better. |
That's like the meaning of being the voice of your generation though.  When you're liked by the majority, it means a massive amount of people agree with what you do, what music you make, how you handle yourself, and what you have to say on issues. Gaga is very polarizing to the GP, which hurts her for being the "voice" of our generation. You can't be the voice if people don't like you. Katy, on the other hand, appeals to the mass, which is why she's up with Gaga as the voice of her generation. Gaga's LGBT work is impressive, but stop putting it on a damn pedestal like no other popstar can compare to her.
http://www.google.com/search?q=katy+...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Just by a simple Google search, you can see that Katy is doing more behind the scenes than you guys think.
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This discussion is useless cause both sides of the argument make sense in their context. Gaga can be the voice of a generation cause she speaks up the most about what she believes in. Or Katy can be the voice because she appeals to the mass and everyone loves her. It just boils down to who you stan for/like better in the end.
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Originally posted by pika
That's like the meaning of being the voice of your generation though. When you're liked by the majority, it means a massive amount of people agree with what you do, what music you make, how you handle yourself, and what you have to say on issues. Gaga is very polarizing to the GP, which hurts her for being the "voice" of our generation. You can't be the voice if people don't like you. Katy, on the other hand, appeals to the mass, which is why she's up with Gaga as the voice of her generation. Gaga's LGBT work is impressive, but stop putting it on a damn pedestal like no other popstar can compare to her.
http://www.google.com/search?q=katy+...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Just by a simple Google search, you can see that Katy is doing more behind the scenes than you guys think. |
It's disappointing that you consider Katy a contender for the voice of the generation simply for her mass appeal when she does a normal amount of charity for a celebrity of her stature. A "voice of the generation" that everyone loves because she's not too controversial and not too outspoken while making fluffy, catchy pop tunes is rather uninteresting. My opinion is that to be the voice of a generation one must do something loud, influential, and important. Gaga's LGBT work and anti bullying work is put up on a pedestal because it dwarfs that of most other celebrities. I'm well aware that Katy donates to charities and that should be commended, but it's not nearly on the level of what Gaga has done for the LGBT community. I'll restate that I consider Gaga the voice of the generation for the reasons that her massage focuses on one of the most important social issues of our time and that she puts more effort into that issue than most people have ever done.
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The voice of this generation is ADELE.
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Adele is just successful  and that's it
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Originally posted by dnav87
Katy Stans are so stubborn.
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Katy
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Originally posted by pika
That's like the meaning of being the voice of your generation though. When you're liked by the majority, it means a massive amount of people agree with what you do, what music you make, how you handle yourself, and what you have to say on issues. Gaga is very polarizing to the GP, which hurts her for being the "voice" of our generation. You can't be the voice if people don't like you. Katy, on the other hand, appeals to the mass, which is why she's up with Gaga as the voice of her generation. Gaga's LGBT work is impressive, but stop putting it on a damn pedestal like no other popstar can compare to her.
http://www.google.com/search?q=katy+...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Just by a simple Google search, you can see that Katy is doing more behind the scenes than you guys think. |
This is not entirely true. Alot of polorizing figures were voices of their generation, Kurt Cobain, Elvis for instance. Its not about being liked by the general public, because in Katys case, the music is too lightweight to be considered thought provoking. Paula Abdul, Boys 2 Men, and MC Hammer were all liked by the general public, but the likes of Bono and Kurt Cobain were the ones to write the thought provoking music during that era. Katy and Rihanna do not write or perform thought provoking music, and most rock fans dont even respect them as musicians, so they cant even be called such.
Kurt Cobain was a ****ing junkie and he spoke out to alot of teens of generation x. Katy perry has no voice cause she is just PC.
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They are the true queens of pop today! But Katy is the voice of our generation imo.
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What a question.. GAGA of course
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This is a really terrible article.
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