I don't even own any Whitney albums. But I have a few PHYSICAL copies of Janet CDs. Just like I do Christina. But impact is impact, and the truth is the truth.
It's the same way I let Lipton get away with most of his Kylie drags - because he's right (about MOST of them.) I'm not DELUSIONAL. A lot of stans are.
I agree, and I was DEFENDING Whitney from the Janet stans, but Playboy started playing dirty. This thread is on the fast track to closure since I am not about to give him points.
Every thing you said just basically translated to irrelevant. That doesn't make one a legend. And what "hate"? I said she's a icon, which isn't a bad thing. And as I said earlier, her music, performances, videos, etc. won't stand the test of time like a Madonna or Michael Jackson. 'Vogue' alone is more iconic than her entire discography.
Beyonce is a legend, my opinion is not changing nor is the opinion of other LEGENDS who agree.
Ask any of them starting with Mariah Carey who also agrees.
I would take Aaliyah, Ciara and Missy Elliott's brand of talent over Leona Lewis and... well... any day of the week.
Why can't you use the same excuse for Janet? Both of them flopped in the 2000s and both of them were made fun of, even if Janet had it worse. You're really dragging yourself at this point. Whitney wasn't some untouchable deity throughout the decade. I Look to You barely outsold Damita Jo and it was her comeback album.
Whitney was a non factor in the 2000s. Her last hit was in the late 90s. At least Janet was around in the 21st century.
Being a sex symbol and being sexy are two different things. Rihanna is sexy, but she is no sex symbol...let alone of all time A sex symbol is an icon, representing a fine woman. JJ in her prime would get shout outs in hip hop songs ('...Put Me On A Planet, Dammit, Where All The Sistas Look Like Janet'). That's a sex symbol. Beyonce gets that as well ('Now all the Beyonces, and Lucy Liis...').
Pam Grier, Josephine Baker, those are some of the biggest black sex symbols of all time. ****ing Rihanna...this place is insane
I know that you're not referencing shout outs in hip-hop songs. If that were the main measure, Lisa Raye would be considered too. I had forgotten about Josephine Baker and Pam Grier, but Rihanna is definitely in the league as Eartha Kit, Josephine Baker, Nicole Nichols, and Pam Grier. Beyonce and Janet Jackson from the early 90s are definitely sexy, but they haven't reached the same status of being a sex symbol as Rihanna has.
Why yall had me in here thinking Janet's last tour was a flop she was selling out Radio Music City hall 3 nights in a row and ****. Well dam Janet u was undercover making money on us lol
Um Rihanna got her influence from Beyonce, that is a fact and something we KNOW. Janet does not get credit for the live performance being a big part of being a popstar, that is credited to Michael, Madonna, and Britney who used shock value to make it popular.
And today is credited to Beyonce for being the standard for a stage performer of any kind with her undeniable talent and overall slayage of the stage. Everything you're trying to credit to Janet seems to be something Madonna can be credited for on an overall scale which brings us back to the point that Janet was second fiddle to Madonna during her entire career even when she was selling more.
First of all, Rihanna praises Janet on a regular basis. GGGB, Rated R and Loud were compared to Control, The Velvet Rope and All for You by numerous critics. You're not getting away with this one. She started out as a Beyoncé clone but now they are clearly nothing alike.
Second. It's cute of you to say that Britney had more impact on performing than Janet when her early performances were taken straight out of Janet's videos. You know it, too.
I agree, and I was DEFENDING Whitney from the Janet stans, but Playboy started playing dirty. This thread is on the fast track to closure since I am not about to give him points.
I guess it's as good a time as any for promo. Come play everyone!
Um Rihanna got her influence from Beyonce, that is a fact and something we KNOW. Janet does not get credit for the live performance being a big part of being a popstar, that is credited to Michael, Madonna, and Britney who used shock value to make it popular.
And today is credited to Beyonce for being the standard for a stage performer of any kind with her undeniable talent and overall slayage of the stage. Everything you're trying to credit to Janet seems to be something Madonna can be credited for on an overall scale which brings us back to the point that Janet was second fiddle to Madonna during her entire career even when she was selling more.
NOT BRITNEY!
People raved about Janet's What About performance on VH1, her Grammy performance of What Have You Done For Me Lately / Nasty, etc. Janet was the one who introduced the head-mic. The pop girls (Britney, Jennifer Lopez, Beyonce, Aaliyah, Ciara, Mya, etc) wearing belly shirts and doing synchronized choreography is because of JANET.
VH1 special on Janet's Greatest TV Moments
NOOO, NOT JANET GETTING CONSTANT STANDING OVATIONS, THAT CAN'T BE
Three different ways of saying "she was pretty" on the "she was good at everything" list. Calm your ****. Surgery or not, Jan was a goddess.
Warning-worthy. Don't get angry, now. Janet's ALBUMS are acclaimed. You know, the stuff that critics really care about.
Beauty, grace and looks are 3 different things sis. Beauty is a given. Grace is your charm or swagger and Look is the style sis. You are gay, why should I have to explain this to you?
Janet can whisper for 2 hours and be critically acclaimed, whoopty doo!! But Janet ain't EVER giving you a vocal like the Star Spangled Banner that Whitney made a million dollar seller and a Top 10 hit. Janet doesn't have anything close to the impact of the Whitney album. Hell I'm not even touching the Bodyguard or Whitney's 2 Emmy Awards or Whitney performing at every Grammy Awards during her first 4 years of being in the game or Exhale debuting at #1. When is Janet gonna ****ing do it? Thats real acclaim that studio tricks and ******** can't give you. Now get mad over that!!
Halle Berry was definitely a sex symbol, but Beyonce hasn't been one. Beyonce is stunning, but she is known for her beauty, not her sexiness. I mean, these pretty much say enough:
I was comparing and showing the DRASTIC difference between being a icon and being a legend. What the **** are you on about? I'm a fan of Michael. I only use Madonna for her music and performances. I may not be a fan of Madonna but I wouldn't sit here and act as though that woman isn't a legend.
If you read what the **** I said earlier and fully grasped my post you would clearly see that I was explaining to him that the word legend gets thrown around here too loosely.
It is thrown around too much, but that's because of the Britney stans and their constant buffoonery on here. I know Beyonce is not really a legend, but no can ever be if they have to live up to the standards of Michael and Madonna. I think she will be one day, and she is the only one from her generation on the right path.
Was Thriller not enough to make him a legend? How about him getting 5 #1's in a row from Bad?
'Thriller' alone was enough to cement him in pop music and pop culture. Are you implying that any of Beyoncé's albums has the same effect and comes close to what Thriller did for pop music and the barriers it broke? I hope not.
I know that you're not referencing shout outs in hip-hop songs. If that were the main measure, Lisa Raye would be considered too. I had forgotten about Josephine Baker and Pam Grier, but Rihanna is definitely in the league as Eartha Kit, Josephine Baker, Nicole Nichols, and Pam Grier. Beyonce and Janet Jackson from the early 90s are definitely sexy, but they haven't reached the same status of being a sex symbol as Rihanna has.
I'll have you know that The Player's Club is an ICONIC movie that will STAND THE TEST OF TIME.
no. The name/impact is what makes a legend most the artist the REMEMBERED ultimate, not the influence. Popstars referencing Janet doesn't make Janet important to the general public and doesn't make her remembered more (by the general public).
Impact and influence are not the same thing. You have to understand that. Pop stars don't have to mention Janet, but Janet resonating in their work is proof of who is the ultimate. And being remembered is determined by what's in the industry, not what's going on within the general public.
I've read a lot of delusional post on the site filled with teenagers but this takes the cake.
Mountains fall? Those mountains didn't move an inch this era.
I am 21 years old and VERY cultured in music, especially black music dating back to the Jazz of Sarah and Ella, don't do it tonight. Denying Beyonce is the delusional part, they dont call her a "queen" because it sounds nice.
Both of them flopped in the 2000s and both of them were made fun of, even if Janet had it worse. You're really dragging yourself at this point. Whitney wasn't some untouchable deity throughout the decade. I Look to You barely outsold Damita Jo and it was her comeback album.
A sex symbol is an icon, representing a fine woman. JJ in her prime would get shout outs in hip hop songs ('...Put Me On A Planet, Dammit, Where All The Sistas Look Like Janet'). That's a sex symbol. Beyonce gets that as well ('Now all the Beyonces, and Lucy Liis...').
Now get mad over that!!
