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Poll: Who will be remembered as the ultimate black female popstar?
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View Poll Results: Who will be remembered as the ultimate black female popstar?
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Janet Jackson
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36 |
14.12% |
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Rihanna
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35 |
13.73% |
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Whitney Houston
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78 |
30.59% |
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Beyoncé
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98 |
38.43% |
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Diana Ross
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8 |
3.14% |
Member Since: 12/4/2008
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Originally posted by Playboy
Its not happening while she is alive either sis. She is DONE!!! Her and those tired ass 1986 dance moves that she can barely hobble and do. Janet better march across that stage and give PRAISE to Michael if it wasn't for him, she'd be a FLOP nobody just like Rebbie and Tito.
Get your life at Whitney breaking records in LIFE and in DEATH!!! When is Janet gonna do it? Don't worry, I will wait just like Janet is waiting to be relevant again.  |
That doesn't even make sense. If it wasn't for Michael she'd be a flop like Rebbie and Tito...but um, is Michael not their brother as well? You're so ampted to drag that you're not even collecting your thoughts together 
Janet proved herself to be an icon in her own right, and is thus far and by far the only sibling artist to do so. And the fact that she did this considering her brother is the KING OF POP and is up there with Elvis Presley and the Beatles is nothing short of remarkable.
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Originally posted by satellites™
The thing is Ace would DRAG Whitney musically for Janet anyday, but this is about impact and legacy. Janet has a strong one, but it doesnt come close to that of Whitney or Beyonce, im sorry but its true. Its like Madonna vs Britney & Christina, you know the three of them are all strong but two stand above the other one, then you argue the big two forever and ever because of timing.
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You know me so well. 
I don't even own any Whitney albums. But I have a few PHYSICAL copies of Janet CDs. Just like I do Christina. But impact is impact, and the truth is the truth.
It's the same way I let Lipton get away with most of his Kylie drags - because he's right (about MOST of them.) I'm not DELUSIONAL. A lot of stans are.
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Originally posted by iBeyoncé.
That applies to everyone right? |
Yes. Britney gets called a legend but I don't think she is. I see Beyonce and Britney as icons. I love Janet to death and use her profusely but I honestly wouldn't say she's a legend as well. Her brother Michael most certainly is.
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
It's not about being a psychic. She's not a "legend" by any means. Some of her own stans refer to her music as "*****-poppin anthems" one would have to be redundant to think that type of music will stand the test of time like Madonna's and Michael's discography has. To label anyone a legend at 30 years of age is comical.  |
You sure bring up Michael and Madonna when it's convenient.
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Every woman around the world wanted to be Whitney Houston - beautiful, glamorous, wooed by then-sex symbol Kevin Costner. Total wish-fulfillment. IWALY has not only been heard on the radio for the past 20 years; every week millions actually watch Whitney dressed to the nines looking gorgeous singing the song b/c it's always on TV. She has lived on through this song and film in a way that Janet hasn't through any of her songs or films.
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Originally posted by satellites™
AS WE SPEAK! (Kworb is genius for this)
Rihanna
Whitney
Beyonce
are all over iTunes in various countries, Janet cannot be found in the top 1000. And thats not shade, but it applies to this thread so I hope bitches dont get testy. |
Rihanna - Young contemporary artist
Beyonce - Young contemporary artist
Whitney - Just recently passed away
OF COURSE they're on the iTune charts.
Its cute though that you went searching for Janet though.
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Originally posted by FreeXone
Outside of her voice, Whitney's impact was not that strong to me. And I will keep that opinion. Just simply standing and singing does not cut it to be a pop star now a days. Especially a black one. Janet did and does, what all the girl HAVE to do now to make it.
You have to slay the music video
You have to slay the stage
You have to sell sex
You have to change your image consistently
If Whitney's rubric was more prevelant, powerhouses like Jennifer Hudson would be the bigger stars than girls like Beyonce and Rihanna. You gotta do more than just sing, and that's in part due to Janet.
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Um Rihanna got her influence from Beyonce, that is a fact and something we KNOW. Janet does not get credit for the live performance being a big part of being a popstar, that is credited to Michael, Madonna, and Britney who used shock value to make it popular.
And today is credited to Beyonce for being the standard for a stage performer of any kind with her undeniable talent and overall slayage of the stage. Everything you're trying to credit to Janet seems to be something Madonna can be credited for on an overall scale which brings us back to the point that Janet was second fiddle to Madonna during her entire career even when she was selling more.
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yall are doing too much on Janet.
She has her grammys, and Oscar nomination, She has gotten legend awards from the AMAs, Billboard awards, Radio Music awards, andMTV(vanguard and mtv icon).
She has memorable songs form the 80s 90s and 00s.and has had success in movies. She has a great legacy and is a legend Its just that Whitney has always been ahead of her in terms of success.
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Do people honestly expect a gold medal or something? Standing up for Whitney or Janet doesn't prove anything. Quarreling about something like this is pointless. Everyone has their own view. They are both had a strong impact in their own ways. Beyoncé will live on the legacy of Whtieny and Janet for this generation.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
And that's perfectly fine, but there is a reason that when these all-time lists come on TV or are published on some website, Whitney is always above Janet, or Whitney makes the list and Janet doesn't. This was even the case before Whitney's death.  |
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Whitney will ALWAYS BE SUPERIOR!!!!!! Whitney sounding like **** on her world tour in 2010 made the headlines before ANYTHING Janet has recently done (Tyler Perry movies, D list commercials, flop tour). I mean, I'm trying to be as politically correct as possible but these *****s are really about to make me unleash my inner Nippy stan. My girl just passed on and they wanna spread lies and dirt on her name. OH NO MA'AM!! Not on my watch!!
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Originally posted by Playboy
Chile bye with these delusions because the people you name that has been influenced by Jan are barely talented themselves minus Li and Missy. Whitney had the world as her oyster from 1986 - 2000. Whitney's personal life has NOTHING to do with her career achievements. She is human as every one of us are. When it came to the music, Whitney always delivered success with RECEIPTS to match. Janet's music receipts have all come back NULL & VOID since 2004. She's working with Tyler Perry for ****'s sake... tell me if that ain't the stench of being a has been.  |
I would take Aaliyah, Ciara and Missy Elliott's brand of talent over Leona Lewis and... well... any day of the week.
Why can't you use the same excuse for Janet? Both of them flopped in the 2000s and both of them were made fun of, even if Janet had it worse. You're really dragging yourself at this point. Whitney wasn't some untouchable deity throughout the decade. I Look to You barely outsold Damita Jo and it was her comeback album.
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
And as I said earlier, her music, performances, videos, etc. won't stand the test of time like a Madonna or Michael Jackson. 'Vogue' alone is more iconic than her entire discography.
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Which MJ performances stand out to you? Exactly. He wasn't as gimmicky an artist as Madonna. Maybe except for the moonwalk performances, I doubt most people can pinpoint a performances that stood out as vividly as any of Madonna's. Props help people remember specific performances, which can go for anyone. A good performer, on the other hand, stays with you forever.
There's a reason why Beyoncé is the standard. A black girl like Rihanna can't evade the shadow Beyoncé's success has cast over all black female artists. A singer/dancer like Gaga can't get away from being compared to Beyoncé performances. A critically acclaimed singer like Adele has to tie/surpass Beyoncé's record before she can set her own records like with Grammys. Her presence is present all throughout pop music and pop culture. She is THE standard. If that's not a pop legend in the making, I don't know what is.
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
Every thing you said just basically translated to irrelevant. That doesn't make one a legend. And what "hate"? I said she's a icon, which isn't a bad thing. And as I said earlier, her music, performances, videos, etc. won't stand the test of time like a Madonna or Michael Jackson. 'Vogue' alone is more iconic than her entire discography.
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Lordt have mercy. The lyric "Miss Jackson If You're Nasty" from Nasty is a part of pop culture.
God dammit Janet and your pierced nipple, just why? This argument shouldn't even be happening
Just like in the most awarded female thread, everyone of ya'll were SCRAMBLING like roaches to the light to disprove the fact that Janet Jackson had the most. IT COULDN'T BE! right?  
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Originally posted by K@rm@
yall are doing too much on Janet.
She has her grammys, and Oscar nomination, She has gotten legend awards from the AMAs, Billboard awards, Radio Music awards, andMTV(vanguard and mtv icon).
She has memorable songs form the 80s 90s and 00s.and has had success in movies. She has a great legacy and is a legend Its just that Whitney has always been ahead of her in terms of success.
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I agree.
Let's not take too much away from Janet. I will defend her if I have to.
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Originally posted by satellites™
The thing is Ace would DRAG Whitney musically for Janet anyday, but this is about impact and legacy. Janet has a strong one, but it doesnt come close to that of Whitney or Beyonce, im sorry but its true. Its like Madonna vs Britney & Christina, you know the three of them are all strong but two stand above the other one, then you argue the big two forever and ever because of timing.
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Nothing to argue here.
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
Yes. Britney gets called a legend but I don't think she is. I see Beyonce and Britney as icons. I love Janet to death and use her profusely but I honestly wouldn't say she's a legend as well. Her brother Michael most certainly is.
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I wasn't even talking about Britney tbh. I had michael in mind. Was Thriller not enough to make him a legend? How about him getting 5 #1's in a row from Bad?
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Originally posted by BrownBear15
Also, Rihanna is arguably the biggest black sex symbol of all time, so that should help her out.
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Boy you REALLY tried that, I mean I almost reported you and threw this macbook across the room.
BEYONCE (bootylicous.dictionary.curves.movies.dresses.hair .)
Halle Berry (name.fame.face.acclaim.movies.body.)
They are never being topped, ever!
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
The influence is what determines who is the "ultimate", though.  |
no. The name/impact is what makes a legend most the artist the REMEMBERED ultimate, not the influence. Popstars referencing Janet doesn't make Janet important to the general public and doesn't make her remembered more (by the general public).
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Originally posted by satellites™
Um Rihanna got her influence from Beyonce, that is a fact and something we KNOW. Janet does not get credit for the live performance being a big part of being a popstar, that is credited to Michael, Madonna, and Britney who used shock value to make it popular.
And today is credited to Beyonce for being the standard for a stage performer of any kind with her undeniable talent and overall slayage of the stage. Everything you're trying to credit to Janet seems to be something Madonna can be credited for on an overall scale which brings us back to the point that Janet was second fiddle to Madonna during her entire career even when she was selling more.
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Thank You! Janet ALWAYS played in 2nd place
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Originally posted by Shame♥
You sure bring up Michael and Madonna when it's convenient. |
I was comparing and showing the DRASTIC difference between being a icon and being a legend. What the **** are you on about? I'm a fan of Michael. I only use Madonna for her music and performances. I may not be a fan of Madonna but I wouldn't sit here and act as though that woman isn't a legend. 
If you read what the **** I said earlier and fully grasped my post you would clearly see that I was explaining to him that the word legend gets thrown around here too loosely.
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