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ATRL: Is Gay Marriage A Human Right?
Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Dead at Jeremy somehow connecting "be yourself and fight stereotypes" to "we shouldn't fight for gay marriage."
What kinda logical fallacy? |
Please quote me where I said that.
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Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
Since when has this become a personal attack?
Another reason why my logic in the OP is pretty accurate.
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What are you talking about?
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Dead at Jeremy somehow connecting "be yourself and fight stereotypes" to "we shouldn't fight for gay marriage."
What kinda logical fallacy? |
Let's remember what happened during the last "hit" thread he had. 
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
Posts: 21,578
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
This is part of my coming out letter.
I have often felt the proposition of homosexuality is questioned by a large proportion of people, based on a fairly limited understanding of the entire concept. Although I don’t agree with some of the traditional viewpoints prevalent today, in the past I have felt convicted by fairly narrow minded philosophies. I have found these viewpoints lack an understanding of individualistic identities and instead stereotypically group individuals collectively. For example gays are often displayed and viewed according to certain stereotypes; these attributes are often seen in the media and at times correlate to everyday life. As a result it is easy to associate us according to feminine or “weak” characteristics. Although I believe certain stereotypical behaviours become the norm in many situations, I don’t believe these factors are as prevalent down the line as you may think. Everyone is unique in their own way and outside of the attraction to males, I will continue to behave and act according to my values and upbringing.
In other words we are all individuals - and I feel most of the problems we have encountered are due to the media and stereotypical groupings. People tend to "become gay" "start acting gay" Just be yourself and live your life. There is no need to change yourself to fit expectations of the community.
I'm not saying I'm against gay marriage, but I understand the viewpoints against it. I think that's an understanding many people lack and as a result we simply jump on the human rights bandwagon.
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What kinda autobiography......
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Love yourself.
Don't fight for gay marriage.
But love yourself.
Don't be stereotypical **** though.
Just stay true to who you are.
You may not be gay after all.
Gays are like everyone else.
Gay marriage isn't that serious of an issue. We should be combating stereotypes.
So remember to live your life, just don't be a stereotypical gay who wants to get married because you may not even be gay.
-From the office of Jeremy's Accurate OP
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
Please quote me where I said that.
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You didn't say it directly, but it's pretty damn well implied in your constant "we should understand the arguments against" it rhetoric. How the hell are we supposed to fight for gay marriage if we're just supposed to roll over and go "OH yeah, you're right, we don't deserve marriage." You're being completely illogical under a guide of pseudo-intellectualism. You seek too strongly to please others instead of actually picking a logical viewpoint.
And because you keep dodging the question: You say that whether being gay is a choice or not matters. Interracial marriage is a choice. Do you believe interracial marriage is not a human right, as the supreme court ruled decades ago.
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
What are you talking about?
Let's remember what happened during the last multiple "hit" threads he had. |
Cheers. You just jealous and you have provided no empirical evidence whatsoever for your arguements - so stay pressed 
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Member Since: 3/12/2011
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Love yourself.
Don't fight for gay marriage.
But love yourself.
Don't be stereotypical **** though.
Just stay true to who you are.
You may not be gay after all.
Gays are like everyone else.
Gay marriage isn't that serious of an issue. We should be combating stereotypes.
So remember to live your life, just don't be a stereotypical gay who wants to get married because you may not even be gay.
-From the office of Jeremy's Accurate OP
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that's what I got as well
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
Marriage isnt a human right, however, equality is.
Edit: Not to be offensive but, although well written, your coming out letter comes off as pretentious and generic. Its your coming out letter, not your dissertation....
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Hate being the last post on a page 
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
Cheers. You just jealous and you have provided no empirical evidence whatsoever for your arguements - so stay pressed |
You haven't provided any empirical arguments yourself. You keep bringing up gay being a choice as though it matters, and CONTINUE to dodge my question about interracial marriage.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
Cheers. You just jealous and you have provided no empirical evidence whatsoever for your arguements - so stay pressed |
You haven't done much, really, besides just say contradicting stuff, and go way off-topic.
"I'm not against gay marriage" then you go saying we should understand the arguments. How are we supposed to argue for anything if we're just supposed to think that the other person is right? Fight a battle that we don't even feel right fighting for?
And what's this random **** about the gay being a choice/not a choice argument? That doesn't matter, at all. Even if someone chooses to be gay, they still have a right to marry whoever they want.
This is your own thread. Why are you going off-topic in it?
Oh, and way to abuse "pressed". How am I pressed here? I'm not. Bed time for you.
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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I cannot at people in 2011 even considering that homosexuality is a choice. 
Yes, you're right. I wanted to be hated by my family and my community. I wanted to not be able to reproduce with my partner.
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
And what's this random **** about the gay being a choice/not a choice argument? That doesn't matter, at all. Even if someone chooses to be gay, they still have a right to marry whoever they want.
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Member Since: 3/15/2011
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
You didn't say it directly, but it's pretty damn well implied in your constant "we should understand the arguments against" it rhetoric. How the hell are we supposed to fight for gay marriage if we're just supposed to roll over and go "OH yeah, you're right, we don't deserve marriage." You're being completely illogical under a guide of pseudo-intellectualism. You seek too strongly to please others instead of actually picking a logical viewpoint.
And because you keep dodging the question: You say that whether being gay is a choice or not matters. Interracial marriage is a choice. Do you believe interracial marriage is not a human right, as the supreme court ruled decades ago. |
What the **** has race got to do with anything? The two are not comparable, unless of course being gay isn't a choice, which was a simple question I asked. And no I don't seek to please others - what am I doing now. I'm virtually against the entire forum.
No your not supposed to role over. But when a celebrity endorses someone, you don't need to call at them out with all this hate. We live in a politically correct world and I'm not sure if that's a good thing. I think primarily we should live our lives. If you want to get married, fine. Express your viewpoint. But if people were just themselves, I don't think there would be as much negative undertone to homosexuality.
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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I think everyone was born gay, and men choosing to like that fishy hole is just a choice. 
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by satellites™
No, but it does make it clear that you don't find homosexuals equal to heterosexuals. Because if you did, you wouldn't try everything in your power to stop them from marrying the person they love.
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
You haven't done much, really, besides just say contradicting stuff, and go way off-topic.
"I'm not against gay marriage" then you go saying we should understand the arguments. How are we supposed to argue for anything if we're just supposed to think that the other person is right? Fight a battle that we don't even feel right fighting for?
And what's this random **** about the gay being a choice/not a choice argument? That doesn't matter, at all. Even if someone chooses to be gay, they still have a right to marry whoever they want.
This is your own thread. Why are you going off-topic in it?
Oh, and way to abuse "pressed". How am I pressed here? I'm not. Bed time for you.
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Ouch.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by JeremyALD
What the **** has race got to do with anything? The two are not comparable, unless of course being gay isn't a choice, which was a simple question I asked. And no I don't seek to please others - what am I doing now. I'm virtually against the entire forum.
No your not supposed to role over. But when a celebrity endorses someone, you don't need to call at them out with all this hate. We live in a politically correct world and I'm not sure if that's a good thing. I think primarily we should live our lives. If you want to get married, fine. Express your viewpoint. But if people were just sometimes, I don't think there would be as much negative undertone to homosexuality.
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What the **** does the question of "is homosexuality a choice?" have to do with any of this? Oh, wait... IT DOESN'T.
You said you're gay. Do you believe that you chose to be homosexual, or what? You're not making a tiny bit of sense asking the question, considering the fact that it doesn't matter.
You can NOT go after Teqkilla about something that doesn't have "to do with anything" when you go on and on about stuff that's off-topic yourself. Bye.
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Member Since: 5/17/2010
Posts: 21,708
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Love yourself.
Don't fight for gay marriage.
But love yourself.
Don't be stereotypical **** though.
Just stay true to who you are.
You may not be gay after all.
Gays are like everyone else.
Gay marriage isn't that serious of an issue. We should be combating stereotypes.
So remember to live your life, just don't be a stereotypical gay who wants to get married because you may not even be gay.
-From the office of Jeremy's Accurate OP
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He's basically flip-flopping between arguments now. 
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
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He's basically flip-flopping between arguments now. |
I guess that was his plan from the start, to go off-topic.
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