[HouseOfFatale]

Originally posted by YaBoiJay18

Flopped? 4 is a flop?

*looks at the thread name*


Well, we woudln't have the need to discuss any of this...

[Knix]

kl;' I'm not about to play with ya'll today.
Some of you act like you can't comprehend a damn thing.

[Drais.]

Can a mod BAN Monroe from the thread. This is completely off topic now.

[DeathRevisited]

So is Femme Fatale next? Because 4 has outsold that album despite being released later.

[Monroe]

Originally posted by BnPac

Exactly!! You just said it. So why are you brigging up her father into this discussion or the grammys when they have nothing to do with the subject.

Because Mathew knows how to deal with a flop era (i.e. B'Day) while Beyonce does not (i.e. 4).

Originally posted by hausofkisuke

Doing massive promo?

Oprah, American Idol, Glatsonbury, Billboard Music Awards, endless video releases, television specials, Entertainment Tonight, BET awards, VMA's, Good Morning America, Jimmy Fallon, The View, X-Factor, etc. is massive promo. No other way of putting it.

[ChrisRTW]

Originally posted by HouseOfFatale

*looks at the thread name*


Well, we woudln't have the need to discuss any of this...

Aren't we discussing why Countdown flopped? stay on topic

[elliotis19]

Oops. Somebody brought out their reporting gun.

[Callisto.]

Originally posted by Monroe

Umm. No. I never said 4 was supposed to win big at the Grammy's. There was no contradiction. I said that 4 was less of a commercial success without Mathew. Mathew knows how to work a flop era (i.e. B'Day), Beyonce obviously doesn't (i.e. 4).

So why bring up the Grammys in the first place?

[Knix]

Originally posted by DeathRevisited

So is Femme Fatale next? Because 4 has outsold that album despite being released later.

I'm here and aroused by and for this suggestion.

[HouseOfFatale]

Originally posted by iBeyoncé.

Matthew didn't get Beyoncé anywhere. He may have helped her get to a platform for her voice to be heard but he certainly didn't get Beyoncé to where he is now. If he's so great why couldn't he help Kelly or Michelle and don't try the "She's his daughter" line because I don't see Solange perched on the charts. Beyoncé got to where she is because SHE is a hard worker. Beyoncé got to where she is because SHE went after what she wanted. Beyoncé got to where she is because SHE had ambition.

Nope


Then in that case, what's the need for a manager???

EVERY ARTIST get to where they get due to the people supporting them behind closed doors.
The fact that you're saying that Michael isn't responsible

[G4L]

I don't know. Maybe it was just too urban or the sound was too unique for people to get into straight away. It's the sort of song that people either love or completely hate, tbh.

And y'all don't have to bash people just cause they disagree about a song everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[HouseOfFatale]

Originally posted by ChrisRTW

Aren't we discussing why Countdown flopped? stay on topic

How did I get off topic??

[Mr Telephone Man]

Originally posted by DeathRevisited

So is Femme Fatale next? Because 4 has outsold that album despite being released later.

And? This is about singles, hence why we are dicussing Countdown, and if you want to go there... Till The World Ends sold more than all of Beyonce' singles and promo singles combined. We can bring up Criminal is you like.

[Drais.]

Originally posted by Monroe

Because Mathew knows how to deal with a flop era (i.e. B'Day) while Beyonce does not (i.e. 4).



Oprah, American Idol, Glatsonbury, Billboard Music Awards, endless video releases, television specials, Entertainment Tonight, BET awards, VMA's, Good Morning America, Jimmy Fallon, The View, X-Factor, etc. is massive promo. No other way of putting it.

The bulk of this is from the beginning of the era. The only thing recent is Roseland & the UK special, so people are still right in saying she hasn't been doing **** for the past few months. Get out.

[elliotis19]

Originally posted by G4L

I don't know. Maybe it was just too urban or the sound was too unique for people to get into straight away. It's the sort of song that people either love or completely hate, tbh.

And y'all don't have to bash people just cause they disagree about a song everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Right. If we're going to have a debate, then let's have a debate. Stop getting all bucked up because people have a difference of opinion. Ganging up on people and asking for a ban because people have something to say is...quite simply...A mess.

[UnusualBoy]

It only needed promotion, Idk if it coul've been a huge hit but at least it could've reached Top 20

[pink.hearts]

Originally posted by HouseOfFatale

*looks at the thread name*


Well, we woudln't have the need to discuss any of this...

but we're talking about countdown, a single, not her album

[KevinKDC]

LMFAO Beyonce fans are pressed again. I mean just deal with it that countdown flopped, nobody can keep on smashing

[HouseOfFatale]

Originally posted by G4L

Maybe it was just too urban.

Wasn't "I Am Sasha" more urban????

Maybe it was because it had too much R&B (which i LOVE). I guess the kids of today are more into dance music rather than slow jams....

[Callisto.]

Originally posted by HouseOfFatale

Nope


Then in that case, what's the need for a manager???

EVERY ARTIST get to where they get due to the people supporting them behind closed doors.
The fact that you're saying that Michael isn't responsible

A manager can't do anything with an Artist unless the artist themselves have what it takes. Once again where are Kelly, Solange, Michelle, Latavia & Letoya if he was so great?