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Celeb News: Rihanna creates ART through her music.
Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by _roc la familia .
Technically everyone's "making art."
Whether it's good, substantial & has an actual message that will resonate with the public is what divides these artists, and I personally don't think that Rihanna has done that with her 'audience.' (I say that because I think her non-online fanbase is fickle as hell and I don't know why)
Yes, she's put the effort towards being that type of artist, but it's not what the public perceives her as. She's fun & she'll go with the flow. Nothing too uplifting. People see something like "We Found Love" and "Man Down" and they aren't necessarily looking for the "deeper" meaning.
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It's the "creating" part I disagree with. She comes out with great songs, but she doesn't create them. It's like if a model walked down a runway in an amazing dress and you credited her for designing it. Yes, you can say she carried it well and you can say she maybe added appeal to it, but I don't see how you could say she created it.
I don't mind it THAT much considering Beyonce's in my sig and we all know about her ghost writers, but I won't try to say she's creating art, just executing it extremely well.
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Originally posted by G4L
What was the Man Down video then? and she has SAID she doesn't want to be a role model because that would limit her in living her life and making the music that SHE wants to make. the author pointed it out in his article. do you have any reading comprehension skills??
and she DOES do charity work, she just doesn't do it so that the whole world knows. it's always kept quiet by the media for some reason. she has her own charity foundation, she's been involved with DKMS who help those with leukaemia among many other things. next time, research instead of assuming.
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See the thing is Rihanna is not trying to send a message, she's not trying to be creative either- she's trying to be controversial for the sake of controversy. It starting to seem contrived and fake.
And didnt Rihanna lie about being sick so she wouldn't have to perform at the breast cancer charity event hosted by Mr. Donald Trump himself??
Yep, she sure does cares about charity. 
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Originally posted by LedZepForever
It's the "creating" part I disagree with. She comes out with great songs, but she doesn't create them. It's like if a model walked down a runway in an amazing dress and you credited her for designing it. Yes, you can say she carried it well and you can say she maybe added appeal to it, but I don't see how you could say she created it.
I don't mind it THAT much considering Beyonce's in my sig and we all know about her ghost writers, but I won't try to say she's creating art, just executing it extremely well.
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But most big named designers don't make or design their own clothing. They have a creative team, sketchers, staff and a house. Marc Jacobs is a brand. He doesn't produce or design every little detail on the fabric. But At the end of day he is has the last so say and he makes all the rules. On what his creative direction for line will be & how he wants it to look. It's his vision people are just helping him bring it to life. The same analogy can be used for Rihanna.
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Member Since: 10/20/2010
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I think the article hits on a lot of topics that some of you just don't want to see. Rihanna is empowering and a lot of her music/videos convey that. 
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Originally posted by BadBitch
But most big named designers don't make or design their own clothing. They have a creative team, sketchers, staff and a house. Marc Jacobs is a brand. He doesn't produce or design every little detail on the fabric. But At the end of day he is has last so say and he makes all the rules. On what his creative direction for line will & how he wants it to look. Rihanna is no different from that.
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at this point after all this time and all the success if they still want to believe there's some illuminatti-esque team pulling all the strings, let them. They're hopeless.
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Originally posted by The Ri-son!
I think the article hits on a lot of topics that some of you just don't want to see. Rihanna is empowering and a lot of her music/videos convey that. |
Being empowering doesn't make something art, though.
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Originally posted by The Ri-son!
at this point after all this time and all the success if they still want to believe there's some illuminatti-esque team pulling all the strings, let them. They're hopeless.
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It's not Illuminati, it's hot conspiracy, it's the recording industry.
If you're really going to try to pretend that Rihanna should be given as much credit for her creative process as a head if a fashion house....ch...
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Originally posted by BadBitch
But most big named designers don't make or design their own clothing. They have a creative team, sketchers, staff and a house. Marc Jacobs is a brand. He doesn't produce or design every little detail on the fabric. But At the end of day he is has last so say and he makes all the rules. On what his creative direction for line will be & how he wants it to look. It's his vision people are just helping him bring it to life. The same analogy can be used for Rihanna.
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Marc Jacobs is not an Artist. You answer your own question just like Rihanna is not one. 
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The whole argument over "who has control over what" and "whose creating art" is really tired.
As much as I love Rih, she makes bubbly, fun pop music that relates to the masses. THAT'S IT. It's not deep and it's not prophetic. Stop trying to make it more than what it is and just enjoy the music.
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Originally posted by FreeBitch
Marc Jacobs is not an Artist. You answer your own question just like Rihanna is not one. |
He's a visionary. Just like Rihanna. What good is a house without a vision? All artist have a vision. Rihanna & Marc are still considered artist.
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Member Since: 10/20/2010
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Being empowering doesn't make something art, though.
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I never said it did. But the article also touches on her ability to empower women which is what i'm speaking on. The whole 'Art' portion applies to any artist so I don't know why people are so up in arms.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
He's a visionary. Just like Rihanna. What good is a house without a vision? All artist have a vision. Rihanna & Marc are still considered artist. |
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Originally posted by IWasHere
See the thing is Rihanna is not trying to send a message, she's not trying to be creative either- she's trying to be controversial for the sake of controversy. It starting to seem contrived and fake.
And didnt Rihanna lie about being sick so she wouldn't have to perform at the breast cancer charity event hosted by Mr. Donald Trump himself??
Yep, she sure does cares about charity. |
nothing but opinion and (wrong) assumptions in this post.
i won't bother arguing since you've clearly already made up your mind about her.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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But most big named designers don't make or design their own clothing. They have a creative team, sketchers, staff and a house. Marc Jacobs is a brand. He doesn't produce or design every little detail on the fabric. But At the end of day he is has the last so say and he makes all the rules. On what his creative direction for line will be & how he wants it to look. It's his vision people are just helping him bring it to life. The same analogy can be used for Rihanna.
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I was by no means saying that the designers deserve full credit (I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the fashion industry), but I was saying that in the end of the day, the model who wears the dress by no means creates it.
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
The whole argument over "who has control over what" and "who'se creating art" is really tired.
As much as I love Rih, she makes bubbly, fun pop music that relates to the masses. THAT'S IT. It's not deep and it's not prophetic Stop trying to make it more than what it is and just enjoy the music.
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We're only replying to people saying she's "creating art." I actually enjoy Rihanna a lot and Good Girl Gone Bad is one of my favorite pop albums. I treat her for what she is, if anything, it's her fans that aren't doing that. I don't hold it against her that her music isn't prophetic and I enjoy her music for what it is, but that doesn't mean I'll agree if people say she "creates art."
But on the other hand, I'll just leave it be because I like Rihanna.  Listening to her music is fun and it's great for what it's supposed to be, regardless of who's responsible for it.
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Not to say that Rihanna contributes absolutely nothing to her songs. Compare her to Britney's lifeless vocal performance on S&M. Rihanna she just throws herself into that song: energetic, playful, fun, flirty, feisty, ****ty, coquettish; she's game for pretty much anything. She gives it her all.
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
The whole argument over "who has control over what" and "who'se creating art" is really tired.
As much as I love Rih, she makes bubbly, fun pop music that relates to the masses. THAT'S IT. It's not deep and it's not prophetic Stop trying to make it more than what it is and just enjoy the music.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
He's a visionary. Just like Rihanna. What good is a house without a vision? All artist have a vision. Rihanna & Marc are still considered artist. |
Rihanna doesn't even envision the songs that others write and produce for her though.
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Member Since: 9/13/2011
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Originally posted by G4L
nothing but opinion and (wrong) assumptions in this post.
i won't bother arguing since you've clearly already made up your mind about her.
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I guess that's the route one would take when they have nothing to say.
And everything I said can be proven.
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Member Since: 10/20/2010
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Originally posted by IWasHere
See the thing is Rihanna is not trying to send a message, she's not trying to be creative either- she's trying to be controversial for the sake of controversy. It starting to seem contrived and fake.
And didnt Rihanna lie about being sick so she wouldn't have to perform at the breast cancer charity event hosted by Mr. Donald Trump himself??
Yep, she sure does cares about charity. |
so isnt that even better then that she is in effect "sending a message", proven by this article...without even trying to? As your suggesting.
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Member Since: 4/22/2011
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Originally posted by IWasHere
I guess that's the route one would take when they have nothing to say.
And everything I said can be proven. |
where are the HARD FACTS though? i don't care for your opinions and assumptions, i want FACT.
receipts she's trying to be controversial?
receipts she's contrived and fake?
receipts she lied?
receipts she doesn't care about charity?
i will wait. i would LOVE to see them.
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