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ATRL: Is Suicide The Answer?
Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Some of answers 
It's an answer but not the solution.
I don't blame people who do it, though. They needed a way out and unfortunately they chose death.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
Well then you do raise a point.
Like you said, that was not her intentions but I don't think
she was praising "Jamie" for killing himself but rather
for going through all that's he's been through for that long.
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Yes, I believe she meant to honor his memory and attempted to make his death not be in vain. But she should realize that by doing that, she's not really helping anything.
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Member Since: 3/15/2010
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Originally posted by Patri
Some of these replies 
People who can so easily throw away their own lives clearly have no inkling as to how precious life itself is.
Those who commit suicide are weak, cowardly and selfish, that much is embedded in the act itself. They don't have the courage to face the trials and tribulations of life, and while I sympathize for those who have reached such a point, I would never dare glorify the act of taking your own life and making yourself a so-called martyr for whatever cause you feel you're bringing attention to.
Breaking news: no one is in this life for peace, and you're naïve to think that life is all sunshine and daisies. What do you do once you've made that irreversible step and, while you feel the life slowly leaving your body, in the crystal clear candor of death you suddenly realize the finality of your decision?
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I am sooo glad im not the only one that thinks like this... I took it to my psychology teacher and asked him if something was wrong with me because I didnt feel bad...he said no, and that i was very much normal, where many others take pity, you get mad because of the lack of courage... Usually people who have lived a MUCH harder life has this point of view
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by TREMendo
I am sooo glad im not the only one that thinks like this... I took it to my psychology teacher and asked him if something was wrong with me because I didnt feel bad...he said no, and that i was very much normal, where many others take pity, you get mad because of the lack of courage... Usually people who have lived a MUCH harder life has this point of view
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It's become "politically incorrect" and "insensitive" to think like this, that's why so many people label it judgmental.
In the same way that the starving appreciate food, the downtrodden appreciate life.
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
But I don't see how Gaga glamorizes suicide. |
See: Highly publicized suicide act on stage at the VMA's.
See: Singing about Jamie's death.
See: Pretty much any of her videos where she dies or somebody is sacrificed/killed.
It isn't just her - it's a mass-media movement. The aim is to give you a reason to feel **** about yourself, then profit off of it through these "inspirational" campaigns & music. 
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Member Since: 1/28/2009
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There are so many people trying to live one more day, people fighting to get healthy, people living horrible situations but always with a smile on their face, always thankful.. Everyday is a miracle, Life is a beautiful miracle.. so no, suicide is not a choice!! you learn with every mistake, you get stronger with every bad moment.. Life is the only answer!!
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Member Since: 10/30/2010
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Johnny Lightning nailed it.
Suicide is an easy way out for weak, cowardly people.
Middle class America is a damn mess, these teens are killing themselves over stupid ****. They have no perspective and no idea of the value of life. They don't know how many BILLIONS of people deal with **** that's much harder.
I know I'm generalizing suicide to teens, but that's where most of the attn is at right now.
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Member Since: 8/8/2008
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Originally posted by Kats
Most people don't understand what it's like to be in the moment of bullying, or depression and serious social anxiety. When things are really bad, in that moment suicide seems like the only option, trust me, I have been there time and again. I find it very gutsy of people to even say it's wrong or wimpy who have never truly been in a state where it seems like the only way out. Do I consider it right? In a sense, no. I don't think it is the solution, but I know that in the moment, it may feel like the only one, hence why people commit it.
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!!! Exactly but...
Where you expecting understanding and non judgement from members on THIS board of all places? Lol come on now.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Some of these comments, weak people commit suicide, you have to be stronger, makes me absolutely disgusted. Most of the people who commit suicide DO have a hard life. Such idiotic and dramatized statements in this thread.
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Kats
Some of these comments, weak people commit suicide, you have to be stronger, makes me absolutely disgusted. Most of the people who commit suicide DO have a hard life. Such idiotic and dramatized statements in this thread.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Suicide is the most stupid thing that a human being can do to her/himself and the worst IMO. If everything feels like crap to you just scrap it, leave the place you are leaving, explore the world, meet new friends, find exactly what you want to do with your life and fight for it.
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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Originally posted by Kats
Some of these comments, weak people commit suicide, you have to be stronger, makes me absolutely disgusted. Most of the people who commit suicide DO have a hard life. Such idiotic and dramatized statements in this thread.
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Suicide is disgusting.
Pity & sympathy is what suicidal people want but not what they need. What they NEED is to wake up to themselves and come to the realization that it's a selfish act & life is hard. Tough. You can't be weak-willed, you must learn to face your problems & deal with them as they come, not attempt to escape them & run the other way.
There are always people living under harsher conditions who don't have the help & resources available to them in developed nations - yet they strive to live another day. Survival is an innate human instinct.
Sorry, but all this fluff & political correctness is sickening, sometimes, the truth hurts. Deal with it. There are millions of people out there who don't even have access to things such as clean water, shelter or food - and you wanna sit & sook over being called a fat bitch or a ****? Boo hoo.
Get the help you need - it's available. Suicide isn't going to solve your problems - it's going to set off a lot more for others.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Kats
Sorry, but I find your opinion, to be blatant, sick. People don't always grow up with tough skin.
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No one is born with one, you must "grow" one yourself.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by RAWR!
Suicide is disgusting.
Pity & sympathy is what suicidal people want but not what they need. What they NEED is to wake up to themselves and come to the realization that it's a selfish act & life is hard. Tough. You can't be weak-willed, you must learn to face your problems & deal with them as they come, not attempt to escape them & run the other way.
There are always people living under harsher conditions who don't have the help & resources available to them in developed nations - yet they strive to live another day. Survival is an innate human instinct.
Sorry, but all this fluff & political correctness is sickening, sometimes, the truth hurts. Deal with it. There are millions of people out there who don't even have access to things such as clean water, shelter or food - and you wanna sit & sook over being called a fat bitch or a ****? Boo hoo.
Get the help you need - it's available. Suicide isn't going to solve your problems - it's going to set off a lot more for others.
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I tell you what's disgusting, your opinion.
When your in a suicidal position, you want nothing but to end the pain and suffering you go through, you don't see the help that there may be, you don't see the hands reaching out to you, all you see is that dark alley. It isn't something as clear cut as either you get help or your weak, many times, those around the person don't even know. And even if they do, the person doesn't see it. Yeah, life is hard, but when it gets to the extreme level of depression, anxiety, physical and mental abuse, substance abuse, etc. you come to the conclusion THERE IS NO HELP. Your going to go to school, deal with being called names all day, come home to a drunken father who beats you, and go to your facebook to find two friends. Once you get there, there is no help, there is nothing but falling further down. There is only so much one can face alone and even with help. We cannot act like we can take on anything life throws at us, because then we become foolish.
Again, if we always thought this way, someone else is far worse, than things like bullying, abuse, and mental illnesses wouldn't be taken seriously. There is a point you have to face the opponent, but there is also a point where facing something isn't going to solve anything, but make it worse.
There is no "fluff" or "politics" in caring for those who have been wounded deeply, and there is no fluff in knowing why they committed suicide, nor is there any fluff and politics in knowing that they felt no way out, except one, death. Your sick, being called a **** and a fat bitch lowers one self-esteem to the point they see no worth of there life, and it is people like you that cause them to feel criticized for there decision and mothers and fathers for there children's tragic death.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by Cas
No one is born with one, you must "grow" one yourself.
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I didn't say they were born with it, hence why I said, "grow up with."
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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I really reallly don't like it when people say suicide is "selfish" Have you even been in their shoes? Severe depression is no walk in the park. It's a very serious illness. I'm not saying suicide is the right answer... but unless you've been there, with that hopeless feeling you really can't call them "selfish, cowardly, weak." I'll speak from experience, as I said early I went to my school councilsar for help. He basically told me "just go kill yourself, thats one less child I have to see." I reported him to my parents, and was 'grounded for lieing'. There was a time when I had no friends, and dreaded even going to school. One of my last ditched efforts to make the pain go away was tell my parents about everything.... and they took it as an excuse to not go to school. All cries for help (even in class when I vocally not once, but twice said 'I feel like just killing myself' and was ignorned both times.) So now, it seemed like virturally everyone couldn't care less wether I was there or not. What would you have done? Bare in mind I was 13... and having things like "we'll party the day your gone." don't make things better. It seemed like it was the only solution to make it all end. Following the attempt, I finally was able to get help... and things did slowly improve. So was I selfish? A coward, and weak?
Now as an adult, I know there are better solutions then throwing in the towel.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by Hollywood
I really reallly don't like it when people say suicide is "selfish" Have you even been in their shoes? Severe depression is no walk in the park. It's a very serious illness. I'm not saying suicide is the right answer... but unless you've been there, with that hopeless feeling you really can't call them "selfish, cowardly, weak." I'll speak from experience, as I said early I went to my school councilsar for help. He basically told me "just go kill yourself, thats one less child I have to see." I reported him to my parents, and was 'grounded for lieing'. There was a time when I had no friends, and dreaded even going to school. One of my last ditched efforts to make the pain go away was tell my parents about everything.... and they took it as an excuse to not go to school. All cries for help (even in class when I vocally not once, but twice said 'I feel like just killing myself' and was ignorned both times.) So now, it seemed like virturally everyone couldn't care less wether I was there or not. What would you have done? Bare in mind I was 13... and having things like "we'll party the day your gone." don't make things better. It seemed like it was the only solution to make it all end. Following the attempt, I finally was able to get help... and things did slowly improve. So was I selfish? A coward, and weak?
Now as an adult, I know there are better solutions then throwing in the towel.
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Thank you, I know there is someone else who has experienced roughly the same thing.
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Member Since: 11/4/2010
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Originally posted by Kats
I tell you what's disgusting, your opinion.
When your in a suicidal position, you want nothing but to end the pain and suffering you go through, you don't see the help that there may be, you don't see the hands reaching out to you, all you see is that dark alley. It isn't something as clear cut as either you get help or your weak, many times, those around the person don't even know. And even if they do, the person doesn't see it. Yeah, life is hard, but when it gets to the extreme level of depression, anxiety, physical and mental abuse, substance abuse, etc. you come to the conclusion THERE IS NO HELP. Your going to go to school, deal with being called names all day, come home to a drunken father who beats you, and go to your facebook to find two friends. Once you get there, there is no help, there is nothing but falling further down. There is only so much one can face alone and even with help. We cannot act like we can take on anything life throws at us, because then we become foolish.
Again, if we always thought this way, someone else is far worse, than things like bullying, abuse, and mental illnesses wouldn't be taken seriously. There is a point you have to face the opponent, but there is also a point where facing something isn't going to solve anything, but make it worse.
There is no "fluff" or "politics" in caring for those who have been wounded deeply, and there is no fluff in knowing why they committed suicide, nor is there any fluff and politics in knowing that they felt no way out, except one, death. Your sick, being called a **** and a fat bitch lowers one self-esteem to the point they see no worth of there life, and it is people like you that cause them to feel criticized for there decision and mothers and fathers for there children's tragic death.
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You do get to come at me with this, assuming that I haven't had such experiences & accusing me of being the cause. I have in fact, been suicidal. You don't know experiences I've had in life. I understand it. I get it. But after having been in a place of such unhappiness & now, being able to find peace, I CHOOSE to believe that there IS help, there IS a way out & it IS possible to overcome.
Pardon me for having a POSITIVE attitude. If you want to feel like a hopeless, no-good, weak individual you're whole life, then fine by me - but I'm one of those people who chooses to focus on the beautiful aspects of life, rather than the bad. If you CONVINCE yourself there's no hope, then there isn't for you. But if you CHOOSE to live another day. If you CHOOSE to fight & strive through your troubles, no matter how hard or impossible they may seem - then THAT will be your first step to bettering your life & building your bridge towards a place of happiness.
DO NOT come at me with these ******** accusations, how dare you tbh. You're low. It's people like YOU & posts like YOURS who feed the negativity & convince people that suicide is an option or the right way out. No. It NEVER is.
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Member Since: 10/30/2010
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I laughed when this Kat person said "You get name called and then come home to 2 Facebook friends" lmao.
First world problems are so ridiculous. "omg I have no friends" "omg I get called gay all the time" "omg my parents are divorced" Like shut the **** up and deal with your retarded ****.
I can't stand idiots who have no clue of the world around them. People have no food, shelter, clothes, and yet you wanna complain because you have no ****ing friends?
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