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Discussion: Rihanna and Katy, the future of pop?
Member Since: 9/13/2011
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Originally posted by Christina-Lover
Rihanna is the future of Pop
Katy worldwide is weak
and Lady Gaga is in fade mode, she definitely peaked
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I agree. Judging on Rihanna recently, how she has started this Talk That Talk era is indicative that she will be the one on top in this coming year or so. Katy has had her fun. Doesn't mean she will get another 5 straight #1's from an album again. It's not that easy. As for Gaga, who knows. As someone who was a massive fan of hers from 2008, I think she has gone overboard with just about everything, where the things she does doesn't even come across edgy anymore. Instead, I find everything just way over-the-top and pointless. I've lost interest in her.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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If one of these two had to be the 'future of pop' I would hope that is Rihanna.
She is more likely to take risks, is not one-dimensional, and is a better vocalist.
Katy, while a good pop singer, is replaceable.
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Member Since: 11/20/2010
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Originally posted by jomarr
Katy? 
Rihanna IS the future of pop. Lady Gaga is kind of fading right now. But let's see next era. |
This.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Katy is a joke. I hate to shade but it's arguably true. You can tell that all she cares about is seeing her name at the top. How? By becoming a singles artist and no, Katy stans, 4x plat. is pretty ****** for 5 international smashes + even another 1 coming.
It's Rihanna who has the most versatility in pop right now. She constantly reinvents herself and keeps pop interesting. GaGa? She has tried reinventing herself - in fact, every single she did. But has she REALLY succeeded? Do you hear more about Rihanna's hair or GaGa's manhood? Don't you think the latter should have a lot more attention? People are losing interest.
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Member Since: 9/13/2011
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Originally posted by JordanFenty
Katy is a joke. I hate to shade but it's arguably true. You can tell that all she cares about is seeing her name at the top. How? By becoming a singles artist and no, Katy stans, 4x plat. is pretty ****** for 5 international smashes + even another 1 coming.
It's Rihanna who has the most versatility in pop right now. She constantly reinvents herself and keeps pop interesting. GaGa? She has tried reinventing herself - in fact, every single she did. But has she REALLY succeeded? Do you hear more about Rihanna's hair or GaGa's manhood? Don't you think the latter should have a lot more attention? People are losing interest.
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I agree, and I think Rihanna will be the one to beat this time round.
Although her constant re-inventions have come under some serious criticism by some: http://poptrashaddicts.blogspot.com/...est-fraud.html
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Member Since: 5/4/2011
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Originally posted by B2R4D
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That one pressed individual can't handle the fact that Rihanna was "supposed" to be a 1 hit wonder back in '05.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF POP!!!And Katy haters,Katy is big worldwide,has more money than most of your faves,bigger impact,bigger tour and she has everything what it takes to be The Queen of Pop!! 
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How can Rihanna and Katy not be the future of pop? They are trendy artists who make scene music. They are going to be happening for sometime. When this electro-fad plays out, they will be hopping on that. Maybe they'll be starting the new trend too. Anyhow, Rihanna and Katy are designed for the pop market to never fail in terms of what is current.
Though Rated R proves Rihanna might be the better one in terms of acclaim, but the era was so close together with Loud that it blurs the lines. Same era, different albums, which discounts Rated R and Rihanna's credibility as an artist.
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Originally posted by JordanFenty
Katy is a joke. I hate to shade but it's arguably true. You can tell that all she cares about is seeing her name at the top. How? By becoming a singles artist and no, Katy stans, 4x plat. is pretty ****** for 5 international smashes + even another 1 coming.
It's Rihanna who has the most versatility in pop right now. She constantly reinvents herself and keeps pop interesting. GaGa? She has tried reinventing herself - in fact, every single she did. But has she REALLY succeeded? Do you hear more about Rihanna's hair or GaGa's manhood? Don't you think the latter should have a lot more attention? People are losing interest.
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Rihanna fans are very interesting....
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I can't with how many people are claiming that Rihanna is generic just by "hopping onto the trends". Have y'all even listened to Loud? How can the trend be country/soft rock, reggae, urban, and euro-dance, all at once? 
Even "We Found Love" isn't generic. Most of y'all need to understand that upbeat =/= generic. WFL is a real dance/house track. I can't think of a song on the charts right now that sounds like WFL. So no, Rihanna isn't generic, she makes music of many different genres and experiments with different sounds.
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Originally posted by JordanFenty
Katy is a joke. I hate to shade but it's arguably true. You can tell that all she cares about is seeing her name at the top. How? By becoming a singles artist and no, Katy stans, 4x plat. is pretty ****** for 5 international smashes + even another 1 coming.
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Even Katy haters can tell you that's not true 
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I love the longevity of this thread, you can tell it has nothing to do with monsters 
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by JordanFenty
Katy is a joke. I hate to shade but it's arguably true. You can tell that all she cares about is seeing her name at the top. How? By becoming a singles artist and no, Katy stans, 4x plat. is pretty ****** for 5 international smashes + even another 1 coming.
It's Rihanna who has the most versatility in pop right now. She constantly reinvents herself and keeps pop interesting. GaGa? She has tried reinventing herself - in fact, every single she did. But has she REALLY succeeded? Do you hear more about Rihanna's hair or GaGa's manhood? Don't you think the latter should have a lot more attention? People are losing interest.
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Wow, so much to address with this slop fest of a post. with your opinionated post.
1. If Katy is a joke, then Rihanna must be the butt of it. By releasing an album every year, Rihanna just looks plain desperate. Her fans believe her line 'I just love making new music.' No. Def Jam wants Rihanna's name out at every moment because she is as forgettable as her last single. To prevent that issue, they just make sure Rihanna always has a single out. Be it her lead single or a featuring one, Rihanna's relevancy is feared by Def Jam.
2. You can't use Katy being a singles artist against Rihanna. Rihanna is about to be on her 6th album, has smash hits all around the world, and still can't outgross some of her latest peers when it comes to tours. What does that say about Rihanna? Not many people are invested in paying to see her live. It is much easier to pay 1.99 to buy her David Guetta esque singles as opposed to paying $10 to see her live.
3. Dying your hair at the start of every era is not reinvention. Compare Only Girl to We Found Love. Wow. So much reinvention I can hardly brace myself. Isn't she roaming around in a field in both videos? Never mind that. Reinvention is about style, outlook, and personality. Rihanna is still the same. Gaga is more successful at reinvention. A bloody performance at the VMA's about the death of fame (or some **** like that), to a meat dress to make some political statement, to dressing in drag for other statement. Whether these are true or not, they garner more attention than Rihanna who simply just has a new hair color.
4. And Gaga remains the most interesting pop star. Regardless of her flop singles and videos, more people are going to her shows and more people invest time in her compared to Rihanna
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Originally posted by marky cat
THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF POP!!!And Katy haters,Katy is big worldwide, has more money than most of your faves,bigger impact,bigger tour and she has everything what it takes to be The Queen of Pop!! |
The Candyland Tour will never have the same success as The Monster Ball. Get it through your mind. Granted, the tour isn't over, but do you really think that it's on track to dethrone the Monster Ball as one of the most successful tours of all time? 
Katy Perry's Tour:
TOTAL 475,597 / 489,492 (97%) $25,916,845
Lady Gaga's Tour:
Total 1,454,824 / 1,469,682 (99%) $125,201,731
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These days that means mastering social media. Lady Gaga topples Oprah Winfrey from her No.1 spot on our list, which she's given up for only the third time in seven years. Gaga is there not just because of the $90 million she earned with a monster tour, but also because of her 32 million Facebook fans and 10 million Twitter followers--aka Little Monsters--who helped move 1 million digital downloads of her recent single "Born This Way" in only five days. They're also happy to buy the MAC makeup, Monster headphones and Virgin Mobile phones she features in her videos.
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http://www.forbes.com/wealth/celebrities
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They are not part of the trinity.
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Member Since: 12/16/2008
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Originally posted by Amaru
Rihanna fans are very interesting....
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It's kinda funny because back in the day ppl were saying Rihanna was a single artist, a joke, etc  , I love them both and both are really big WW.
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Member Since: 5/4/2011
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Wow, so much to address with this slop fest of a post. with your opinionated post.
1. If Katy is a joke, then Rihanna must be the butt of it. By releasing an album every year, Rihanna just looks plain desperate. Her fans believe her line 'I just love making new music.' No. Def Jam wants Rihanna's name out at every moment because she is as forgettable as her last single. To prevent that issue, they just make sure Rihanna always has a single out. Be it her lead single or a featuring one, Rihanna's relevancy is feared by Def Jam.
2. You can't use Katy being a singles artist against Rihanna. Rihanna is about to be on her 6th album, has smash hits all around the world, and still can't outgross some of her latest peers when it comes to tours. What does that say about Rihanna? Not many people are invested in paying to see her live. It is much easier to pay 1.99 to buy her David Guetta esque singles as opposed to paying $10 to see her live.
3. Dying your hair at the start of every era is not reinvention. Compare Only Girl to We Found Love. Wow. So much reinvention I can hardly brace myself. Isn't she roaming around in a field in both videos? Never mind that. Reinvention is about style, outlook, and personality. Rihanna is still the same. Gaga is more successful at reinvention. A bloody performance at the VMA's about the death of fame (or some **** like that), to a meat dress to make some political statement, to dressing in drag for other statement. Whether these are true or not, they garner more attention than Rihanna who simply just has a new hair color.
4. And Gaga remains the most interesting pop star. Regardless of her flop singles and videos, more people are going to her shows and more people invest time in her compared to Rihanna
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1, 2. Rihanna gets bored of singing the same old songs, so she never really has the chance to go around Europe and America twice or three times doing the same show and earning massive tour grosses from the many different legs of the tour. While I'm sure the label has a big influence with how often Rihanna releases music, why is it so hard to believe that Rihanna might actually get bored with performing the same stuff, and so makes new stuff to sing?
When Rihanna wanted to make Rated R against the label's wishes of what would of been Loud, she only had a year to do what she had to do during the era, and then it was getting Rihanna back to major success with Loud. That could be seen as desperate, but it isn't what Rihanna really wanted to do. When a fan mentioned on twitter that s/he hopes that Talk That Talk takes more of a Rated R path, Rihanna replied with a "I like you". When another fan tweeted Rihanna saying that s/he wanted a Loud sound, Rihanna replied with an "EWW". The rush-release of WFL seems to be more of Rihanna's doing. She wanted to get away from the Loud era as fast as possible, and she seemed really happy when she could announce that TTT was going to be an album, and not a re-release of Loud.
3. Hair colour contributes to style, and her style this era is very different to her last era. Comparing "Only Girl (In the World)" to "We Found Love":
 
I can't tell the difference.  You can't say that the style hasn't been re-invented. Musically, they are similar, but WFL is a new direction for Rihanna nonetheless. OG is Euro-Pop, WFL is house. There's a difference. You're right, she is in a field in both videos. Difference is, in WFL she is only in the field for about 25 seconds, so you're logic is kind of flawed there.
4. GaGa was interesting, but now all of her extravagant outfits are nothing new. She overdid them. She doesn't come across as edgy anymore, because it is expected that she dresses as something crazy.
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Member Since: 10/25/2010
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Originally posted by guga10
Well, Rihanna might have more #1, like she has everywhere else. We know how this turns out when it comes to album sales and tour grossing. GaGa remains unbothered and bigger than Rihanna in the world.
Nice trying... 
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Gorl....even on albums Sales Rihanna Still SLAYS gaga on oceania!!! and even WW she still have sold more records than her.... and LOUD sold 6;2 million( in like 10 mounths) without being on amazon for free....and without being promoted with HIGH BUDGET videos, and without the endless promo gaga is having with her current album.
maybe on touring gaga is better...but that the only point she is better in....and u cant deny that Rihanna is a major force there too...( dont forget her O2 arena record).
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
1, 2. Rihanna gets bored of singing the same old songs, so she never really has the chance to go around Europe and America twice or three times doing the same show and earning massive tour grosses from the many different legs of the tour. While I'm sure the label has a big influence with how often Rihanna releases music, why is it so hard to believe that Rihanna might actually get bored with performing the same stuff, and so makes new stuff to sing?
When Rihanna wanted to make Rated R against the label's wishes of what would of been Loud, she only had a year to do what she had to do during the era, and then it was getting Rihanna back to major success with Loud. That could be seen as desperate, but it isn't what Rihanna really wanted to do. When a fan mentioned on twitter that s/he hopes that Talk That Talk takes more of a Rated R path, Rihanna replied with a "I like you". When another fan tweeted Rihanna saying that s/he wanted a Loud sound, Rihanna replied with an "EWW". The rush-release of WFL seems to be more of Rihanna's doing. She wanted to get away from the Loud era as fast as possible, and she seemed really happy when she could announce that TTT was going to be an album, and not a re-release of Loud.
3. Hair colour contributes to style, and her style this era is very different to her last era. Comparing "Only Girl (In the World)" to "We Found Love":
I can't tell the difference. You can't say that the style hasn't been re-invented. Musically, they are similar, but WFL is a new direction for Rihanna nonetheless. OG is Euro-Pop, WFL is house. There's a difference. You're right, she is in a field in both videos. Difference is, in WFL she is only in the field for about 25 seconds, so you're logic is kind of flawed there.
4. GaGa was interesting, but now all of her extravagant outfits are nothing new. She overdid them. She doesn't come across as edgy anymore, because it is expected that she dresses as something crazy. |
Well, this isn't meant to sound shady, but I guess since Rihanna does make her own music that it is easier for her to get bored of it. This could be true. However, I think the case is more along the lines of taking advantage of what is current today. From a marketing stand point, Def Jam is pretty smart here. In this digital era, it is so much easier for Rihanna to rack up scores of top 10 hits based off trendy songs. Imagine if she released new material all the time...well you don't have to.
And if Rihanna is making music that she doesn't like, then I certainly hope she is not the future of pop. Pop needs to move away from this low brow perspective, and Rihanna is not helping. What makes you think she isn't going to get bored of this album? If anything, Rihanna getting bored of her own music is indication to the public response. It only proves that Rihanna is as good as her latest single, which is why she keeps releasing new material.
All she did was change her hair style this era.
To me, reinvention is about a new outlook and new perspective based on a new inspiration. Good Girl Gone Bad may be Rihanna's only true re-invention.
Only Girl and We Found Love might as well be from the same era. Is it homage to OG, maybe? That wouldn't be bad if that were true, but in this case it only proves that Rihanna is just releasing music to stay well known. If the lead single from WFL had show cased growth, then I'd see real reinvention.
She may have liked Rated R over Loud, but she sure isn't taking risks like she did with RR. But who knows. There is still time.
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Originally posted by Kats
Just so were clear here, Katy has contributed to every song she sings, and always contributes the most.
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Yeah, butchering them.
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Originally posted by Rihannito
Gorl....even on albums Sales Rihanna Still SLAYS gaga on oceania!!! and even WW she still have sold more records than her.... and LOUD sold 6;2 million( in like 10 mounths) without being on amazon for free....and without being promoted with HIGH BUDGET videos, and without the endless promo gaga is having with her current album.
maybe on touring gaga is better...but that the only point she is better in....and u cant deny that Rihanna is a major force there too...( dont forget her O2 arena record). |
You Know Born This Way is out only 5 months, right?? She will get there eventually and sell more than Loud. She still has the Born This Way package, black friday and Christmas time.
You see, the thing you don`t understand is that the Amazon deal only helped the album to sell faster, without it the album would be at the same number but selling more per week instead of doing more in the beginning. I said before, Rihanna stans are jealous because even if TTT were to be sold by 1 cent she would still not debut @ 1 and would sell less than 250k..
What`s the point of making 10 O2 concerts if you can`t sell your concerts in the rest of the world? Last i checked she couldn`t sell concerts in Latin and North America. There`s a reason for that: She is not a good performer and people are not willing to see her live. How can you be claimed queen of pop if people don`t want to see you live? The queen of pop has to have at least 97% of attendance.
Just so you know GaGa had 6O2 concerts at the Monster Ball. I`m sure if she kept on booking them she would shatter RiRi`s record, as usual.
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