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Discussion: "Manufactured" Artists
Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Cheers
Since when did having vocal talent reserve you a spot in the music industry? 
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
Vocal talent actually started a lot of unknown careers. The same goes for songwriting. Besides you quoted me first grouping them together so I responded appropriately. Beyoncé & Gaga both have multiple things to fall on while most of the other gerls simply wouldn't exist if they weren't attractive. It IS what it IS.
Stop quoting me.
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But she wouldn't be where she is without her sex appeal. It's just the truth. It goes to all the other pop girls as well. 
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Vin
She wasn't exactly hideous in "Just Dance" and "Poker Face." So,
yes, she did build her career around being attractive... and then
diverged into "Alejandro" and "Born This Way."
...Vin |
The tranny rumors were fueled back then as well. She admitted to being inspired by the androgynous culture back in 2008. I don't think she would have exactly worn heavy drag queen inspired make up if she wanted to appeal to a bunch of horny teenage boys, the way Britney did back in 1998.
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Originally posted by Vin
She wasn't exactly hideous in "Just Dance" and "Poker Face." So,
yes, she did build her career around being attractive... and then
diverged into "Alejandro" and "Born This Way."
...Vin |
Gaga never built her career on looking attractive. She built it around her outrageous style and jaw dropping outfits (whether good or bad). Even she and her stans will admit this.
Gaga has always been the underdog concerning looks out of all the pop gerls. Let's not act like her "looks" made a huge impact on her career. If anything she proved you don't have to the typical pretty cute pop act to make it.
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Goodbye. Katy is releasing monster generic hits and surely because her label is pushing it. They saw how big Tik Toc was, they went for California Girls. They saw how big party music was, they went for party singles. They saw how Dr. Luke was making so many hits, they went for Dr. Luke. If Katy and Gaga truly were on the same level, perhaps Katy would have stuck with something along the lines of One of the Boys, instead of releasing Teenage Animal.
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Katy has expressed countless times after listening to 'Killer Queen', her view on life had a 360 degree spin. True, Katy sold out a bit; but it was not because her label pushed the idea. Katy said in an interview that since little she always wanted to do a huge pop record to make people dance and roller skate to her tracks, just like she recently said releasing a singer-songwriter based album is one of her goals for the future. Katy worked with Dr Luke since her first record, so you have no right to say she run desperately to him to get some hits; in fact, IKAG and HnC were two of his first smash hits, when at that time only Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne used him 
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Originally posted by skyler
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Miss Jackson agrees 
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by Cheers
But she wouldn't be where she is without her sex appeal. It's just the truth. It goes to all the other pop girls as well. |
When did I even say any of that? You gerls and your reading comprehension.
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can we move away from who wouldn't be successful if they were ugly?
you guys just entered a whole 'nother subsection of discussion
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
This whole entire post. I don't even know where to start 
I'll start from the beginning 
Of course Katy was successful with OOTB, and it is great that she switched it up, but that album seemed to more in her true nature than Teenage Dream. And no, it is not stupid to claim that Katy's label saw other trends and followed because that is what happened. Katy Perry did the party song with I Kissed A Girl, this is true, but it is pretty evident that Teenage Animal was meant to follow trends - not start any. The album is just like everything out today. California Girls sounding like Tik Toc is the best example.
And how in the world is OOTB more party girl than TD?  OOTB, if anything, is more personal with songs like 'Lost,' 'I'm Still Breathing,' and 'Thinking of You.' TD was tailored to the party crowd, 'need some goose to get loose, c'mon take a shot' ' and other examples.
So BTW is generic now? Yes, because Dr. Luke produced all the generically formulated hits on the album. You and I is a song about getting wasted set to a wannabe LMFAO beat.
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We don't know exactly what Katy's "true nature is" unless you are her or closely around her. All you can do is speculate. I love how you talk like you were there, look , whether the label was looking to get money out of it or not, Katy always had something to do with her music. Then there's Hot N'Cold as well, also talking about relationships which is what a lot of TD is about. Some of the songs are like everything else out, I'll agree, but I won't agree the entire album is.
Because, Katy stated that OOTB was when she was younger and all she wanted to do was party and have fun, TD is more serious yet still has the fun factor in it, with a more serious tone. Yeah, your talking about one song off the album, the only type of songs on the albums are about three. Those would be California Gurls, Last Friday Night, and Peacock. All the other ones has less party theme to it.
In a sense, it is. The theme has been tired out constantly, not saying that Katy hasn't used the theme before as well, hence Firework, but BTW has a general lyric to me. Again, that's my personal opinion. Ah, yes, keep pulling out a piece of the album into the spotlight, play fair and consider the album as a whole.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by Belle
You should look into how quick kpop groups go through image phases. It'll change your opinion of such a thing, I promise. Edgy can be perfectly fake because it sells.
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but the difference Rihanna did it at time were being "edgy" wasn't the thing like it is today. There never was a black girl Popstar before Rihanna in 00's. Everyone else was R&B at the time successfully. So she took risk.
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Originally posted by Vin
Unless Jay-Z tells you to.
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Jay-Z & Def Jam wanted to keep her that way but she eventually rebelled on her 3rd album and changed her entire image & sound. Unlike the other girls (Amerie & Terria Marie) at the time she took a chance.
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Cheers
Miss Jackson agrees |
she has vocal talent
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Originally posted by Cheers
But she wouldn't be where she is without her sex appeal. It's just the truth. It goes to all the other pop girls as well. |
But honey, a **** ton of people say Gaga's a tranny, and the haters are strong. If her career wouldn't exist without sex appeal, she wouldn't be here atm.
Besides, I honestly think only her Monsters are the ones that attracted to her, and some of them not even that. I honestly don't see too many people who are turned on by horns, origami dresses and such. 
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Who says R&B can't be pop
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Originally posted by Cheers
Since when did having vocal talent reserve you a spot in the music industry? |
Vocal ability has been placed to the side in recent years, but how do you think Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Aretha Franklin, Barbra Streisand, Patti LaBelle and many other vocalists became popular or made it through the industry? It surely wasn't because of costumes or shaking ass on stage. Their selling points were their vocal abilities, which were essential to cementing a spot in the music industry at one point.
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Ignore Cheers. The lights clearly aren't turned on upstairs. dsfg
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
Are you serious? We have plenty of skinny and in shape pop starts who don't even attempt to move onstage so 
Plenty of heavy set people can perform and dance their asses off.
I didn't say Katy wasn't a good singer or song writer but when she gets mention it's not like people are raving and ranting over her songwriting or voice. They're mostly mentioning her looks or huge breasts.
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But if Bey didn't have a body, as in a built body, she wouldn't be a good performer. She would not be able to dance and she wouldn't have the same stage presence. I don't understand how you don't comprehend that. Her being thin doesn't give her the ability to dance, it's the fact she is in shape and flexible. (which she would be if she wasn't built)
But whateva. I agree with what Cheers said.
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Originally posted by Belle
Who says R&B can't be pop |
Its own genre says so.
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
You've got your albums mixed up, honey. |
If I got it mixed up, than so did Katy. She has stated that TD is more mature and "love"-type, she said OOTB was basically all fun, and TD was more serious yet still had some fun in it, hence CG, LFN, and Peacock.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
can we move away from who wouldn't be successful if they were ugly?
you guys just entered a whole 'nother subsection of discussion
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Right. Discuss looks is a mess tbh
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