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Discussion: "Manufactured" Artists
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Originally posted by Kats
Please, Gaga is just as manufactured as Katy.
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I love it when we have threads like these and "how involved is your fave in their music" threads and every little pop girl has that "she fought against her label to have song A as a single instead of song B!"
some people take "manufactured" and "label puppet" too literally.
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Originally posted by Playboy
If you are signed to a major label then yes, you are manufactured because they pump millions into your career looking for an even bigger profit. It doesn't matter if you are Alicia Keys or Coldplay or Rihanna.
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Well of course, Unless you are doing it out of your basement and/or you are your own manager and **** like that, You are a manufactured product but Vin was saying he thought Beyonce was more manufactured than Britney because he didn't feel like he knew her as a person.
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Sis, why are you SO mad? You wanna talk about it?
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Sis, why are you attached to my nuts? Do I know you? Do you need to find the "X" at the top of the screen?
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There are plenty of artists who make music they are passionate about even if they pay money from their own pocket. They are non-manufactured because they dont really care about charts and even they care it not the prime motivation for them. For exemple indie artists like Bon Iver, Bjork, Mark Ronson and others more popular like Kanye West.
Artists like Lady Gaga, U2, Coldplay, Beyoncé or Adele... even they are well respected are manufactured because the production of their albums cost alot so they have to make sure it sells to capitalised that money; also they are apart of the music business machine (awards, huge tours etc.) so they are in fact products.
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Originally posted by Vin
I want a better understanding of the word "manufactured." For me, the ability to see an artist as a human being and not as a celebrity makes them less manufactured. I see Britney Spears as a human being. I see Beyoncé as Beyoncé -- a megastar. Videos of her dancing as a child and her "personal moment" scenes during "I Am.. World Tour" just seem placed to me. Not saying that it's not genuine, but it feels very planned and put together. I don't feel like I know her, and that's perfectly fine, but it comes off more manufactured, e.g. to always be perfect in the public eye. And again, that's perfectly fine.
In any case, that's just my personal definition of the word manufactured.
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Sis, you see Britney has a human being because that is how she was marketed. The American Dream, America's Sweetheart. That was how the label is to pitch Britney Spears. Why? A likable personality on top of commercial formulated pop hits was bound to give Britney everything she has today. Not saying her persona is "fake," but understand that her "humble" and "human side" is milked just as much as Taylor's "innocent sweet heart" side is. The same to Beyonce. Again, manufactured doesn't mean "fake" in all cases. But the label saw this specific quality in these women and milked it for what it's worth
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
I love it when we have threads like these and "how involved is your fave in their music" threads and every little pop girl has that "she fought against her label to have song A as a single instead of song B!"
some people take "manufactured" and "label puppet" too literally. |
Exactly.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Sis, you see Britney has a human being because that is how she was marketed. The American Dream, America's Sweetheart. That was how the label is to pitch Britney Spears. Why? A likable personality on top of commercial formulated pop hits was bound to give Britney everything she has today. Not saying her persona is "fake," but understand that her "humble" and "human side" is milked just as much as Taylor's "innocent sweet heart" side is. The same to Beyonce. Again, manufactured doesn't mean "fake" in all cases. But the label saw this specific quality in these women and milked it for what it's worth
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Originally posted by IWasHere
Katy is manufactured and once U admit it the better. She does not have control over the songs thst are released from her album, her record label does. She did not leave those two record label U speak of, she was dropped. Katy just wanted to be famous and her Gospel music wasnt gettin her their fast enough, thats why she changed her whole look/sound over night.
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And you know everything about Katy Perry? No, you don't. Stop making assumptions. The fact you even state this proves you know nothing of her, once you admit even Gaga is manufactured to a degree then it will be better. 
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Originally posted by Belle
I absolutely believe that Katy and Rih have been forced to change their image at the risk of contract termination. And K$...let's not.
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And I believe they were complicit in their actions.
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
I didn't say it only applied to Katy Perry, but if you made all of the pop gerls unattractive who do you think would bite the bullet first? Katy is a decent song writer and singer at best. She also tends to be a very sloppy performer live, so it's not like she has A LOT to fall back on. Hell, the video for one of her biggest hit songs wouldn't even exist if it weren't for her face and body.
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Meh. She is a great song-writer. And a good vocalist. She obviously wouldn't be seeing the success she does now or even during OOTB but so what? She would still be making good music.
If Bey didn't have look or her body she would just be a vocalist.
If Rih didn't have her looks.... If Gaga didn't...... If Justin Bieber didn't................. it would be the same outcome or even worse.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Not exposing your personal life and being a singer first and foremost =/= being manufactured. No one knows who Meryl Streep is and the details of her personal life are always kept private. You know her b/c she's an actress and for no other reason. Was she manufactured by the studios?
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Well, if we're going by the big theory in here, yes, yes Meryl Streep is manufactured by the studios. If "every popular artist" is manufactured, then, apparently, "every popular actor" is too.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
You're talking about her public persona/celebrity. Which yes, may be manufactured because she wants it that way. But I wouldn't say Beyonce is more manufactured than Britney, not currently. Look at their interviews, some days Britney is completely out of it.
most people in here seem to be discussing from the perspective of a music artist. |
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
Right. I thought we were discussing the musical side of things, not their private lives. And speaking of that Beyoncé keeps her incredibly private, so of course you're not gonna feel like you know her but IDK how that even relates to the question he asked.
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Originally posted by Knix
So you're saying that you see Britney more as a human being and less manufactured because of all that she's been through in the public eye or..? |
When we were having the discussion, it was more about connecting with the artist that determined whether they were "more manufactured." I didn't make that clear, because I didn't want to limit the discussion. Clearly, everyone's definition immediately veered toward the "write their own music" argument instead. That's not how my mind works. To each their own.
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To me a manufactured artist is an artist that the label treats as a product rather than a singer. Like Justin Bieber his label is milking him like crazy. A book, movie, doll, nail polish ect The Spice Girls is another example.
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Originally posted by FreeBitch
There are plenty of artists who make music they are passionate about even if they pay money from their own pocket. They are non-manufactured because they dont really care about charts and even they care it not the prime motivation for them. For exemple indie artists like Bon Iver, Bjork, Mark Ronson and others more popular like Kanye West.
Artists like Lady Gaga, U2, Coldplay, Beyoncé or Adele... even they are well respected are manufactured because the production of their albums cost alot so they have to make sure it sells to capitalised that money; also they are apart of the music business machine (awards, huge tours etc.)
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C'mon now sis, Kanye has huge tours, awards....
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Originally posted by Knix
Well of course, Unless you are doing it out of your basement and/or you are your own manager and **** like that, You are a manufactured product but Vin was saying he thought Beyonce was more manufactured than Britney because he didn't feel like he knew her as a person. |
Maybe you overlooked this reply. 
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Originally posted by Playboy
Vin's logic is a little flawed. Britney is seen as human because nobody outside of her fanbase and gays truly give a **** about her music. She's like the first reality star where she's more known for being a Pop Culture reference than anything that she has done career-wise. Beyonce is more known for her music, ****** movies and raping the television with all those damn commercials.... we know her as megastar because she keeps her private life private like any REAL celebrity should. The only reason you know Gaga is because she's a fame ***** looking for attention in EVERY thing that she does.
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Originally posted by Playboy
Sis, why are you attached to my nuts? Do I know you? Do you need to find the "X" at the top of the screen?
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I really don't appreciate the sexual advances, sis. Why the animosity towards the pop girls?
Alicia's ham-hock thighs aren't doing it for you anymore?
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
Right. I thought we were discussing the musical side of things, not their private lives. And speaking of that Beyoncé keeps her incredibly private, so of course you're not gonna feel like you know her but IDK how that even relates to the question he asked.
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Talent can not be manufactured. That gives the artists their staying power and longevity. Without talent all of manufacturing in the world will not maintain a long career.
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Originally posted by iHooker
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The fact that you have to reply proves that you know it.
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Originally posted by Hi.Def
If Katy Perry were ugly she wouldn't even exist in the industry. She knows she possesses the face and body and uses that to her advantage.
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It's also hard to say who's truly manufactured b/c we don't know who they really are and what kind of music they truly want to make.
On the one hand Katy Perry went from Christian gospel singer to successful pop/rockish popstar. And with her newfound success she became a full-on, 100% trend-following popstar who only works with whoever makes the biggest hits and aggressively courts iTunes/radio/tweens in her sound, image, videos, performances, everything. You might say that she's extremely manufactured...but what if that's what she really likes? What if she just genuinely loves making mindless, polished pop candy for the masses?
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