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Celeb News: Linda Perry attacks Katy Perry
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Well said. Not silly. Did you ever feel this way about Britney? At one point, she also had massive hype and was treated as the new coming of pop. Or is it the exaggerated critical acclaim that turns you off (which Britney never really got)? I agree that Adele, as good as she is, has officially become overrated.
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And that's the thing, I never felt that way about Britney, though she was certainly hyped as up-and-coming pop royalty, and whatnot. So, I guess it's really just the heaps of critical praise that Adele gets that I'm reacting to.
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
It's because she is. This isn't the first time she's made her...opinion heard.
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Opinionated doesn't make you a bitch.
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Originally posted by Patrick
I know, I've been shading her too much lately. :-/
I don't even really have an issue with Adele. She's talented, a lot of her music is really enjoyable and of a high quality, and I've always found her really pleasant/likable in any sort of interview she's given. I guess I'm mostly put-off by the condescending tone that some of her fans adopt; the way they talk about her music having soul, as if they've always been mindful of meaningful music and they've never enjoyed a silly Katy Perry tune.
And I also just sorta hate these movements to elevate certain artists with potential to some status of infallible musical Messiah. As good as 21 is, I can't help but feel like a good part of its success and acclaim couldn't be attributed to the hype machine and this insistence that Adele's created something beyond amazing. This sort of thing happens every couple years and it's previously ruined people like Amy and Gaga (to a lesser extent) for me.
And at the same time, I also realize that perhaps I'm reluctant to sing praise for Adele simply because I would be joining the masses and feeding that hype machine. And with that in mind, I sort of come to the realization that the act of avoiding something that's trendy simply because you don't want to be seen as someone who's jumping onto a trend is, well, it's more ridiculous than jumping on the Adelewagon simply because it's the thing to do.
So yeah, I'm silly.
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Your shade is clever, so I don't mind it. 
I totally understand where you're coming from, and I can relate to it. I'm a massive fan of Adele, but as I've seen her rise and her profile alter I've been less inclined to be supportive of her simply because its now perceived as the fashionable thing to do. I've never liked the idea of being a follower, and that's why I generally tend to take interest in artists who have not quite fulfilled their potential. Many of the artists I've taken an interest in tend to be surrounded in pretension, with GaGa it was obvious, and now with Adele it is becoming more and more apparent. Whilst I think 21 is a very solid piece of work, I can't even begin to fathom the impact it's had. I would never have seen it coming, realistically nobody did. I think the surprise factor is something that has most definitely worked to her advantage. Part of the reason she is so successful right now is because there is nobody in direct competition with her, all of the other major female popstars have much more in common with each other. There was most definitely a void in the market for someone like Adele. Her mass appeal is helped because her sound is refreshing compared to what else is on offer, but after her success more artists of a similar calibre to her will be signed. Timing played a big part in her success.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Whilst I think 21 is a very solid piece of work, I can't even begin to fathom the impact it's had. I would never have seen it coming, realistically nobody did. I think the surprise factor is something that has most definitely worked to her advantage. Part of the reason she is so successful right now is because there is nobody in direct competition with her, all of the other major female popstars have much more in common with each other. There was most definitely a void in the market for someone like Adele. Her mass appeal is helped because her sound is refreshing compared to what else is on offer, but after her success more artists of a similar calibre to her will be signed. Timing played a big part in her success.
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And this is all so true. 
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Originally posted by STMG23
And that five singles became huge hits proves it. There is a diversity in sound. There is a diversity in topics.
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California Gurls - song about party girls
Teenage Dream - underage sex probably leading to unplanned pregnancy
Firework - Born This Ways closeted cousin
ET - having sex with black guys
Last Friday Night - party song
Wow so diverse 
LINDA SPOKE THE TRUTH.
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Originally posted by RainMan
California Gurls - song about party girls
Teenage Dream - underage sex probably leading to unplanned pregnancy
Firework - Born This Ways closeted cousin
ET - having sex with black guys
Last Friday Night - party song
Wow so diverse
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Originally posted by Celestial
Your shade is clever, so I don't mind it.
I totally understand where you're coming from, and I can relate to it. I'm a massive fan of Adele, but as I've seen her rise and her profile alter I've been less inclined to be supportive of her simply because its now perceived as the fashionable thing to do. I've never liked the idea of being a follower, and that's why I generally tend to take interest in artists who have not quite fulfilled their potential. Many of the artists I've taken an interest in tend to be surrounded in pretension, with GaGa it was obvious, and now with Adele it is becoming more and more apparent. Whilst I think 21 is a very solid piece of work, I can't even begin to fathom the impact it's had. I would never have seen it coming, realistically nobody did. I think the surprise factor is something that has most definitely worked to her advantage. Part of the reason she is so successful right now is because there is nobody in direct competition with her, all of the other major female popstars have much more in common with each other. There was most definitely a void in the market for someone like Adele. Her mass appeal is helped because her sound is refreshing compared to what else is on offer, but after her success more artists of a similar calibre to her will be signed. Timing played a big part in her success. |
I think Kelly Clarkson can be a competition to her. But that's up to what direction she takes with her new album.
Actually, I think if Amy Lee sang "Someone Like You" it could be much better. Wow, now I really want her to cover it!
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Originally posted by Celestial
Your shade is clever, so I don't mind it.
I totally understand where you're coming from, and I can relate to it. I'm a massive fan of Adele, but as I've seen her rise and her profile alter I've been less inclined to be supportive of her simply because its now perceived as the fashionable thing to do. I've never liked the idea of being a follower, and that's why I generally tend to take interest in artists who have not quite fulfilled their potential. Many of the artists I've taken an interest in tend to be surrounded in pretension, with GaGa it was obvious, and now with Adele it is becoming more and more apparent. Whilst I think 21 is a very solid piece of work, I can't even begin to fathom the impact it's had. I would never have seen it coming, realistically nobody did. I think the surprise factor is something that has most definitely worked to her advantage. Part of the reason she is so successful right now is because there is nobody in direct competition with her, all of the other major female popstars have much more in common with each other. There was most definitely a void in the market for someone like Adele. Her mass appeal is helped because her sound is refreshing compared to what else is on offer, but after her success more artists of a similar calibre to her will be signed. Timing played a big part in her success. |
More artists like her? There are a ton of artists like Adele, though. The only difference is, they haven't released a song that is as appealing as "Rolling in the Deep." That song was covered by just about everyone in the industry and has crossover appeal - which is why it's the biggest crossover hit in over two decades. These artists are already signed; they just didn't have the song to break them out of the AC crowd.
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Originally posted by RainMan
California Gurls - song about party girls
Teenage Dream - underage sex probably leading to unplanned pregnancy
Firework - Born This Ways closeted cousin
ET - having sex with black guys
Last Friday Night - party song
Wow so diverse
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Wow this post screams pressed 
Teenage Dream is not about underage sex, it's about feeling like you're living out your dream of falling in love when you were a teenager.
Firework, that answer was biased as hell, too bad the song came out before Born This Way.
ET - was about falling for someone that almost doesn't seem real, not of this world... when kanye was introduced into the song then it became more sexualised.
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Originally posted by RainMan
ET - having sex with black guys
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"it's supernatural, extreterrastrial" 
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Originally posted by duybeeGAshantiGA
Gosh I dont know when will we get over the 0.99 thing. I hope THIS IS THE LAST TIME I have to explain this: GAGA didnt discount Born This Way. Amazon did. She got nothing to do with this ****. OK? Dont make yourself looking bad Katycats.  |
Neither did Rihanna or Britney want those remixes. Their labels did 
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Originally posted by Chemist
"it's supernatural, extreterrastrial" |
You're from a whole other/another world
a different dimention
you open my eyes
and im ready to go, lead me into the light
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Originally posted by RainMan
California Gurls - song about party girls
Teenage Dream - underage sex probably leading to unplanned pregnancy
Firework - Born This Ways closeted cousin
ET - having sex with black guys
Last Friday Night - party song
Wow so diverse
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KIIIIII!!!!!!!
Anyway....... I can't help but agree with Linda.
Katy Perry really could be a better artist if she had an indie/folky singer-songwriter vibe going on, but I understand why the commercial lane was chosen for her career path.
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i love Katys singles but there is no way in hell i would spend money buying her album 
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i love Katys singles but there is no way in hell i would spend money buying her album |
The rest of the world pretty much feels the same.
At least that's what her receipts say.
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i love Katys singles but there is no way in hell i would spend money buying her album |
And apparently you are not alone.
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she insists that the Teenage Dream album is "crap … sounds like ****," and that's why people are only buying singles and not the album itself.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
I think Kelly Clarkson can be a competition to her. But that's up to what direction she takes with her new album.
Actually, I think if Amy Lee sang "Someone Like You" it could be much better. Wow, now I really want her to cover it!
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Other than being overweight, I don't see any similarities between Kelly Clarkson and Adele tbh.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
More artists like her? There are a ton of artists like Adele, though. The only difference is, they haven't released a song that is as appealing as "Rolling in the Deep." That song was covered by just about everyone in the industry and has crossover appeal - which is why it's the biggest crossover hit in over two decades. These artists are already signed; they just didn't have the song to break them out of the AC crowd.
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Exactly, but what was Adele before "Rolling in the Deep"? Her US success is based entirely on that song, and it remains to be seen whether or not she can replicate it. I think she will, because her follow up singles are equally as strong, but I think her success is going to open peoples tastes to artists that are similar to her. They may not reach her level, but the market is clearly there.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Other than being overweight, I don't see any similarities between Kelly Clarkson and Adele tbh.
Exactly, but what was Adele before "Rolling in the Deep"? Her US success is based entirely on that song, and it remains to be seen whether or not she can replicate it. I think she will, because her follow up singles are equally as strong, but I think her success is going to open peoples tastes to artists that are similar to her. They may not reach her level, but the market is clearly there.
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But what about Sara Bareilles, Christina Perri, Corinne Bailey Rae, Duffy and even Amy Winehouse? They all had big (or at least moderate sized) hits but none of them were as appealing to other demographics as "Rolling in the Deep." These artists will always be signed and maybe get a hit or two on radio.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
But what about Sara Bareilles, Christina Perri, Corinne Bailey Rae, Duffy and even Amy Winehouse? They all had big (or at least moderate sized) hits but none of them were as appealing to other demographics as "Rolling in the Deep." These artists will always be signed and maybe get a hit or two on radio.
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Amy reached a comparable level of success globally with "Back To Black" despite not having a smash single like RITD. Of those you mentioned, she's the only one on Adele's level. Adele appeals to fans of indie music but her voice is what has enabled her to become more mainstream. Also, a song like RITD is commercially appealing, so I agree with you in saying that's what the other girls are lacking. It has hit written all over it. Even those that don't care for Adele recognise her talent. Duffy has a good voice too, but it's whiny and irritating. It's not made for the mass market, but she has her niche. The success of Back to Black inspired a new waive of talent, I think 21 will do the same.
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