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Discussion: What do you have against fem gays?
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Originally posted by EarlyMorning
Nothing at all. Maybe, because at times I'm fem so I'm biased, but I don't classify myself as that since I'm more than just that. It's weird that so many gay people are throwing around the word normal in here when I'm sorry (not really) to disappoint a lot of you guys, but the second a man stuck his dick inside of you or vice versa you weren't considered normal by SOME heterosexuals standards. Yes, I know, it comes to a shock that no matter how masculine you come off or how you try to put down fem men that some heterosexuals will still focus on the fact that you're making love to a man, kissing a man, developing a relationship with a man as if it's not the normal thing to do. Because in their eyes it isn't, and for some, it will always be that way.
If a fem man wants to walk around with lip gloss, a Chanel bag in tow, some high heels etc. so be it. It's not harming you or the gay community in any way shape or form. One gay person dressing down for the Gods, does not mean that heterosexuals will automatically start attacking gays. Since that's something that he or she wanted to do from the get-go before Coco and his fem clique strutted down a aisle at Target. And as Hi.Def said straight guys can also be effeminate, it's not limited to just the gays despite what some like to believe.
This discussion also brought up another subject of fems doing the work when it comes to the gay community for the most part because the gays who would prefer to live by heteronormative standards in a way don't do anything. Since they would prefer to not be seen or heard when it comes to anything gay because they feel that the fem gays make them look bad or make it a lost cause. Which isn't true at all, but I guess that's what separates the ones who would rather progress in society from the ones who would just like to blend into the social norm, and have everything stay the same in terms of marriage, equality in the workplace, adoption etc. |
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Originally posted by Vin
I do have a question, though: I never understood seeing a couple together and they are both effeminate. Doesn't that almost defeat the purpose of being gay?  Wouldn't the flamboyant guy want or desire the opposite type of guy? I always thought that was fascinating. Why not just be with a woman then if you're both flamboyant? An effeminate gay guy needs to be with a more masculine gay guy. Isn't that in the handbook or somethin'?
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I guess the whole thing of being gay doesn't depend on whether they want to look girlier (if the person is a boy) or to look manlier (if the person is a girl), but the fact of feeling sexual attraction towards people from their same sex. I think the fact of being girlier or manlier is just correlated to how the person feels comfortable the most, and knowing that the whole aspect of coming out is to feel more comfortable with themselves, there you can see the pattern.
The fact of seeing a girly boy with a manly boy would seem like a very logical for many of us, but, isn't it the same as looking to a straight couple? Me, being straight, I tend to think that as well; however, let's not forget the main definition of what being gay means, a person feeling sexual attraction towards people from the same sex, and therefore it should be completely normal to see combinations of a girly man with a girly man, and etc. I think the same case applies for women as well.
And to ask the question, I personally feel kind of awkward when I interact with them, I guess that my reserved and asocial personality explains this awkardness. Correct me if I'm wrong please, but I think they are way more social and talkative than many other kinds of sexual options.
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Originally posted by Vato
Femmes are the worst thing to happen to mankind! And here's why:
1. They are annoying
2. They are painful to look at
3. They make everyone cringe
4. They are promiscuous...and that's an understatement
5. They think you automatically have to **** them because you're masc
6. They listen to annoying music
7. They are obsessed with fashion
8. They have a tendency to draw unwanted attention when you're around them
9. They cry, scream, and bitch about nothing
10. they all want to be taken seriously when clearly they're just a joke of themselves.
To be honest, Im only able to deal with a board full of fems because I cant see or hear any of you.
And yes, all this comes from personal experience. The day I meet ONE fem that doesnt meet any of the above criteria, is the day I will accep them  |
THIS. IS. SO. ****ING. STUPID.
Honestly people from within the gay community who feel and believe these things makes ME wish that y'all will get even half of the gay bashing and violence towards you. You would deserve it for putting out ******** like this. ALL of those are generalizations, and BAD ones at that. It shows how unintelligent you are. Bigots like YOU are the worst thing to happen to mankind.
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I'm extremely disappointed as usual at how immature so many of the people on here are about gay matters. In the end, it looks like anyone who has an issue is either misinformed, ignorant, insecure about themselves, or completely lacking the courage to deal with adversity, so instead of stepping your damn game up, you side with the bigots in order to not have them lash out at you as well. It's pathetic...it is one of thing to say that you don't hang out with femmes because it will blow your cover...not everyone is ready to come out and that is fine.
But don't sit up on here and hate on them and say there is something wrong with us when the problem lies in your situation and your own fears. It's close-minded and short-sighted.
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Honestly, i don't like them. They bring us (normal gays) bad reputation and bad stereotype.
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that is not true.and what are normal gays???
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Originally posted by RedDlicious
I'm extremely disappointed as usual at how immature so many of the people on here are about gay matters. In the end, it looks like anyone who has an issue is either misinformed, ignorant, insecure about themselves, or completely lacking the courage to deal with adversity, so instead of stepping your damn game up, you side with the bigots in order to not have them lash out at you as well. It's pathetic...it is one of thing to say that you don't hang out with femmes because it will blow your cover...not everyone is ready to come out and that is fine.
But don't sit up on here and hate on them and say there is something wrong with us when the problem lies in your situation and your own fears. It's close-minded and short-sighted.
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Don't let them get you mad; they'll come around eventually.
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Originally posted by MonsterRoco
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Originally posted by RedDlicious
I'm extremely disappointed as usual at how immature so many of the people on here are about gay matters. In the end, it looks like anyone who has an issue is either misinformed, ignorant, insecure about themselves, or completely lacking the courage to deal with adversity, so instead of stepping your damn game up, you side with the bigots in order to not have them lash out at you as well. It's pathetic...it is one of thing to say that you don't hang out with femmes because it will blow your cover...not everyone is ready to come out and that is fine.
But don't sit up on here and hate on them and say there is something wrong with us when the problem lies in your situation and your own fears. It's close-minded and short-sighted.
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Seconded. Some of these folk are just so, so stupid.
If you're going to discriminate against an effeminate gay because "they're so annoyiiiiinggggg omgzzzz" and cast judgment on the grounds of--I dunno--one of the completely ridiculous "reasons" Vato posted, then YOU'RE the asshole and YOU'RE the one who just might be robbing yourself of a good time, a loyal friend, and a rewarding relationship--romantic or platonic. Based on the "logic" shared in this thread, we should start bashing tomboys and girls that play softball--they don't fit into the gender stereotype you all want, but somehow that's more appropriate...??
Some of you children really need to grow the **** up.
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Originally posted by BornThisWay
I'm so with Lipton.
It actually really DISGUSTS me to see masculine gay guys hating on feminine gay guys. Don't you guys realize that it's us feminine gay guys who are taking the brunt of the hatred towards the gay community? And aren't we supposed to be reaching towards equality together, as a team? Not separated because you think we're "annoying."
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not all masculine gay guys hate on fems. I had mas guys who loved me and I was their boyfriend 
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Originally posted by RedDlicious
I'm extremely disappointed as usual at how immature so many of the people on here are about gay matters. In the end, it looks like anyone who has an issue is either misinformed, ignorant, insecure about themselves, or completely lacking the courage to deal with adversity, so instead of stepping your damn game up, you side with the bigots in order to not have them lash out at you as well. It's pathetic...it is one of thing to say that you don't hang out with femmes because it will blow your cover...not everyone is ready to come out and that is fine.
But don't sit up on here and hate on them and say there is something wrong with us when the problem lies in your situation and your own fears. It's close-minded and short-sighted.
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I agree, lots of people are all for tolerance, as long as it's them being tolerated and no one else.
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Don't let them get you mad; they'll come around eventually.
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You're right...this is something that always gets me riled up, especially since I have watched so many "masc" and closet-y gays pull out all this hateful rhetoric, then actually grow the hell up, come out, get to know a bunch of us femmes, and learn that they are wrong. I guess everyone has to learn in their own time, though....
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
Me too, and I've seen fem guys that are tops
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yesssssssssssss, I like that .. only the cute ones though
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Originally posted by EarlyMorning
Nothing at all. Maybe, because at times I'm fem so I'm biased, but I don't classify myself as that since I'm more than just that. It's weird that so many gay people are throwing around the word normal in here when I'm sorry (not really) to disappoint a lot of you guys, but the second a man stuck his dick inside of you or vice versa you weren't considered normal by SOME heterosexuals standards. Yes, I know, it comes to a shock that no matter how masculine you come off or how you try to put down fem men that some heterosexuals will still focus on the fact that you're making love to a man, kissing a man, developing a relationship with a man as if it's not the normal thing to do. Because in their eyes it isn't, and for some, it will always be that way.
If a fem man wants to walk around with lip gloss, a Chanel bag in tow, some high heels etc. so be it. It's not harming you or the gay community in any way shape or form. One gay person dressing down for the Gods, does not mean that heterosexuals will automatically start attacking gays. Since that's something that he or she wanted to do from the get-go before Coco and his fem clique strutted down a aisle at Target. And as Hi.Def said straight guys can also be effeminate, it's not limited to just the gays despite what some like to believe.
This discussion also brought up another subject of fems doing the work when it comes to the gay community for the most part because the gays who would prefer to live by heteronormative standards in a way don't do anything. Since they would prefer to not be seen or heard when it comes to anything gay because they feel that the fem gays make them look bad or make it a lost cause. Which isn't true at all, but I guess that's what separates the ones who would rather progress in society from the ones who would just like to blend into the social norm, and have everything stay the same in terms of marriage, equality in the workplace, adoption etc. |
Love it!
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earlymorning, that was a good post , I loved it 
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Originally posted by EarlyMorning
Nothing at all. Maybe, because at times I'm fem so I'm biased, but I don't classify myself as that since I'm more than just that. It's weird that so many gay people are throwing around the word normal in here when I'm sorry (not really) to disappoint a lot of you guys, but the second a man stuck his dick inside of you or vice versa you weren't considered normal by SOME heterosexuals standards. Yes, I know, it comes to a shock that no matter how masculine you come off or how you try to put down fem men that some heterosexuals will still focus on the fact that you're making love to a man, kissing a man, developing a relationship with a man as if it's not the normal thing to do. Because in their eyes it isn't, and for some, it will always be that way.
If a fem man wants to walk around with lip gloss, a Chanel bag in tow, some high heels etc. so be it. It's not harming you or the gay community in any way shape or form. One gay person dressing down for the Gods, does not mean that heterosexuals will automatically start attacking gays. Since that's something that he or she wanted to do from the get-go before Coco and his fem clique strutted down a aisle at Target. And as Hi.Def said straight guys can also be effeminate, it's not limited to just the gays despite what some like to believe.
This discussion also brought up another subject of fems doing the work when it comes to the gay community for the most part because the gays who would prefer to live by heteronormative standards in a way don't do anything. Since they would prefer to not be seen or heard when it comes to anything gay because they feel that the fem gays make them look bad or make it a lost cause. Which isn't true at all, but I guess that's what separates the ones who would rather progress in society from the ones who would just like to blend into the social norm, and have everything stay the same in terms of marriage, equality in the workplace, adoption etc. |
Yas!!
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Originally posted by RedDlicious
I'm extremely disappointed as usual at how immature so many of the people on here are about gay matters. In the end, it looks like anyone who has an issue is either misinformed, ignorant, insecure about themselves, or completely lacking the courage to deal with adversity, so instead of stepping your damn game up, you side with the bigots in order to not have them lash out at you as well. It's pathetic...it is one of thing to say that you don't hang out with femmes because it will blow your cover...not everyone is ready to come out and that is fine.
But don't sit up on here and hate on them and say there is something wrong with us when the problem lies in your situation and your own fears. It's close-minded and short-sighted.
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this thread 
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Originally posted by Vin
But I read a post on here, I believe it was from the member, inspiration, who made an interesting point. He said that it is the over-the-top, flamboyant, effeminate, gay-pride-marchin', drag queen type of gay guy that makes it possible for society to more easily an openly accept the "normal gay guy." Thanks to that feminine "extreme" the public embraces the other half of the spectrum with an ease. So, "normal gay guys" owe a lot to the "over-the-top," "we-were-born-this-way" type of gay guy.
I thought it was an interesting point.
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That's an interesting point, but I'm not convinced. Or I should say it has a good side and the bad side. Gay prides and gay activism is very good at promoting gay acceptance among people who have at least partially liberal mindset, but I think being stereotypically over the top gay causes even more hatred from bigoted and highly conservative people.
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A masculine gay hating or discriminating a feminine gay is no different than when any gay is discriminated or hated by a heterosexual. It's true, that the masculine gays who (NOT ALL MASCULINE GAYS) try to keep it down low and fit in don't do as much as the feminine gays do for their community. Though I'm bisexual, I side with the feminine gays here on this matter. Don't hate on the feminine gays, don't hate at all... If you're scared that your friends are gonna hate you or something because you hang around with a feminine gay... I think that says enough about who you hang around with.
Grow up and accept it all.
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Just be yourself. The whole masculine-feminine classification is ********.
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