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Discussion: Did Ke$ha Lead The Way For Katy... and Britney?
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Originally posted by Patrick
I agree with half of your post, and I partially agree with the other half. I do view HIAM as a victory for Dr. Luke/Max Martin as I hear very little in this that sounds inherently Dr. Luke-ish or particularly reminiscent of Ke$ha, which shows they put forth a lot of effort on this track. In that regard I think it's a nice addition to Britney's list of hits, many of which I think are very distinctive in terms of production and typically avoid a lot of the of the moment trends.
I won't go as far as to say Britney's performance is "phoned in" but I certainly agree that it is somewhat lacking in terms of character, particularly in comparison to some of the character laden singles in her discography. That said, I also think that it's a little difficult to inject character into a song of this nature which isn't particularly ****ty, isn't overly flirty, isn't vengeful, isn't somber or any other descriptor. The lyrics of "Womanizer" lend themselves to a naturally sassy interpretation, "3" is set up for lustiness, but with a track like "HIAM" I feel like the direction isn't as clearly defined. I think it would be difficult for any singer to really deliver a charismatic performance when the track itself, despite having some very PG friendly innuendo, doesn't really play into said innuendo or say anything that isn't watered down and sort of sophomoric. I don't want to make excuses for Britney, but I guess I will. In this instance I'm a bit inclined to blame poor songwriting from Bonnie McKee, not passionless Brit Brit for this somewhat uncharacteristic interpretation. (Of course anyone who bothers to read that will immediately come at me with the accusation that I am always making excuses for my "talentless fave", so whatever. I also know that I'm opening up a whole can of worms of people coming at me with "Well, your fave used a songwriter for her lead single and you actually expect her to have some personality when she sings? My gave always has personalty cause she writes her own stuff and can relate to it, your fave should do the same," sort of comments, to which I have to say your fave probably sounds just as "phoned in" as Britney, but everyone has this misconception that writing credits = automatically emotionally captivating interpretation.)
All of that said, I do think Britney does show a bit of personality during the breakdown.
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Kesha...Katy...and Britney all sound the same now. Kesha had to go and smash with Tik Toc and now everyone wants to follow the similar trend. Britney had the opportunity to work with someone other than the same producer working with everybody else, but her people want her to smash. So they played it safe. So yes, Kesha's success probably influenced the direction of where Britney would go. Just as the reign of Timbaland influenced Madonna's 'Hard Candy.'
It is unoriginal and uninspiring, but nothing new!
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Well said.
The concept (and lyrics) of the song are kinda lacking, as I pointed out regarding the demo. What's the song about, picking up a guy you think is hot? That's not enough. The only way to make that a home run is with really clever lyrics.
It will smash regardless.
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Exactly. If the lyrics were just a little bit more interesting I think this would be even more successful that it's already destined to be.
Oh well, I still love it as a beautifully produced, fun, pop song and I think despite any shortcomings it's still a cut above most other tracks right now.
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Yes, Ke$ha led Katy and Britney to Dr. Luke's front door.
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Originally posted by Chemist
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Kesha? 
All she did was get Dr. Luke to give her a sound that was already generic. She didnt pave the way for anyone, let alone Britney Spears.
Britney -> Katy -> Ke$ha.
That's how it works. Kesha didnt earn her pop princess status yet. She needs to work harder, and become more credible. She influenced no one.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Kesha...Katy...and Britney all sound the same now. Kesha had to go and smash with Tik Toc and now everyone wants to follow the similar trend. Britney had the opportunity to work with someone other than the same producer working with everybody else, but her people want her to smash. So they played it safe. So yes, Kesha's success probably influenced the direction of where Britney would go. Just as the reign of Timbaland influenced Madonna's 'Hard Candy.'
It is unoriginal and uninspiring, but nothing new!
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I know Britney's new song is very generic and has been done before, but this electro-pop sound has been going for the past 2 years, and Kesha did NOT start it. Kesha joined on the band wagon along with the rest of the industry. So I think Britney's label set her up with people, and Britney put her head down and worked on what she was told to work on. I dont think Kesha influenced anyone. Sony definitly dont want to re-create Kesha's album sales. Britney's album sales double Kesha's, so if anything Kesha would have been given Britney as a model to the goal of her success.
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Originally posted by BornThisWay
The only real effect K$ has made on the industry is the uprising of Dr. Luke and his perfectly formulated, brightly packaged, can't-get-that-****ing-song-out-of-your-head #1 hits.
She herself hasn't changed anything, it's just Tik Tok was the first of Dr. Luke's cheaply written radio-*****d insta-smashes.
If anyone, Gaga is the one who's shaped today's industry...
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thats just crazy talk.. how did gaga shaped the industry and not Kesha??... u hear so many rip off of tik tok... -_- not that its that good..
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i see ppl are mad abt HIAM..
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most people + critics thinks its fresh, innovated and pure britney, i agree.
Her voice is diffrent in this song, i think her tone almost bored sounding conveys her longing to get this guy. It's so infectious and drillls right througth you, so i disagree with the comments to her vocals.
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This thread is such a mess. 
But no, Ke$ha isn't leading anyone, she just got lucky and handed some modern songs that happened to work for her. 
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If Dr Luke hadn't produced this, none of you would be saying it sounded like Ke$ha.
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No & its foolish to even think the thought especially since Britney's been doing this type of sound before. having said that she has came harder than this song.
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I'm sorry but no artist influences another . It's the producer .
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ke$ha who? 
maybe katy and ke$ha made similar songs, recycled each others' songs who cares
but Britney? really?
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 Patrick, I agree with your post. My initial response was based on the fact that Britney's vocals never seem to mature and they sound cartoon-ish. That's a personal bias though. Some of the notes that Katy Perry hits are downright ghastly but I still tolerate her singing for some reason. 
Oh yeah, and Britney always nails the breakdowns in her songs. The breakdown in "3" was my favorite part of that song.
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I do not think that Ke$ha really influenced anyone. The electro-pop sound was made huge with Just Dance and Poker Face, later with Boom Boom Pow and I Gotta Feeling, Tik Tok, Sexy Bitch, etc
No one can deny that It was Lady GaGa the one who shaped the road for the following moves on almost every pop star(I would like to point out that Beyonce did not borrow this electro-pop sound and managed to slay everyone's fave, not that I'm a beyonce stan anyway)
Let's look it this way
2005 Kelly Clarkson(rock/pop) and Mariah Carey(RnB) Gwen Stefani(pop) were the most successful female artists
2006 Nelly Furtado (mixture of genres) was the most successful female artist
2007 Rihanna (RnB mostly and mixture of genres) Fergie (RnB Pop mostly) P!nk (pop/rock) Avril Lavigne (pop/rock) Beyonce(RnB) were the most successful female artists
2008 Rihanna (Still RnB) Katy Perry (pop/rock) were the most successful female artists
2009 Lady GaGa (electro-pop) Beyonce (still RnB) Taylor Swif (country/pop) were the most successful female artists
2010 Lady Gaga continued her reign, Ke$ha followed the electro-pop sound and smashed, Rihanna sold her soul to this electro-pop wave after a master piece like Rated R with the release of Loud and got her fastest-selling album in a span of 7 weeks. Katy Perry threw away her pop/rock sound and embraced a electro-pop sound to horrible reviews, but obtaining 3 #1 singles, and an album of the year nomination.
I would like to point out that many of you have the right to mention both 'Blackout' and 'Circus' as a forerunner of this electro-pop movement, but let's not forget that both era were not as successful as Nelly Furtado, Rihanna, Fergie, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga and even Ke$ha's eras, and both album were clearly influenced by Timbaland's work with Justin Timberlake, who I might consider the truly forerunner of the electro-pop movement (of course with the help of timbo) Madonna also tried to include this in her music, but it also failed to impress the world (of course her tours are the highest grossing tours, but that is mainly for her 'Queen Of Pop' status.
Finally, I would like to say that Hold It Against Me is the first comeback single of Britney that I did not find interesting at all. I followed Britney from the beginning and 'Oops I Did It Again', 'I'm a Slave 4 U', 'Me Against The Music' ,'Gimme More' and 'Womanizer' were genious in their respective time. Hell even '3' was interesting at some point, but 'Hold It Against Me' is weak and might even appeared as a left-over of Ke$ha's Cannibal.
TOO LONG! Sorry.
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Britney and Katy BOTH worked with Dr.Luke before Ke$ha was even being thought of.
And Gaga and Britney are mostly responsible for the electro-pop uprising in mainstream.
Maybe if Britney was talking all her lyrics and singing about Jack Daniels in HIAM, I would see your point, but she isn't.
She's using the same electro-pop sound that she used in Womanizer and Gaga uses in all her song..nothing that Ke$ha brought into the industry.
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