[RatedG²]

Anyways, this is one of the few times I actually agree with Bea, besides the whole part about America not knowing real terrorism

[Queen Bea.]

Originally posted by yankee04

I totally agree that it is worse in many other places, but does that mean we should just let it get worse here in the US? Taking care of a problem before it happens is always the best solution. Are they going about it correctly? Probably not but at least we are trying.

No but the point is for somebody who grew up with terrorism at their doorstep everyday to hear people complaining about isolated incidents and acting like the entire world is out to get them, is very annoying and stupid.

It is true that fear let's the terrorists win.

And no Geo, the Middle East is not the main 'source' for terrorism, it is simply the source of the terrorism that you are most familiar with. Terrorists do not need to come from a different country or be of a different religion, they could be your next door neighbour or your cousin. A terrorist by definition is someone who causes you to live in fear, they have been around a long ass time, just because America has only recently started encountering them doesn't mean they are new.

[Queen Bea.]

Originally posted by RatedGaga

Anyways, this is one of the few times I actually agree with Bea, besides the whole part about America not knowing real terrorism

You should be very careful what you say about that, the USA does not know terrorism like my country. When you see a man literally crucified on a fence purely because he is protestant rather than catholic, or you see a man gunned down in front of your school for no reason other than the uniform he was wearing or maybe when you are held hostage during a riot, you can come back to me on that.

And yeah, I do take this personally, so watch what you say.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by itstotallybea

You should be very careful what you say about that, the USA does not know terrorism like my country. When you see a man literally crucified on a fence purely because he is protestant rather than catholic, or you see a man gunned down in front of your school for no reason other than the uniform he was wearing or maybe when you are held hostage during a riot, you can come back to me on that.

And yeah, I do take this personally, so watch what you say.

Well I don't want to get to personal, but have you forgotten the Civil Rights Acts in the 20th century. Those incidents caused people to live in fear, mainly because of the skin color they are born with. African Americans were beat up, shot, lynched, tortured, sodomized, ect. because of terrorism, according to your aforementioned definition. Saying America does not know real terrorism is a litote, and a bad one at that. America may not get it as bad as other countries, but America certainly gets it, and really bad sometimes

[Queen Bea.]

Originally posted by RatedGaga

Well I don't want to get to personal, but have you forgotten the Civil Rights Acts in the 20th century. Those incidents caused people to live in fear, mainly because of the skin color they are born with. African Americans were beat up, shot, lynched, tortured, sodomized, ect. because of terrorism, according to your aforementioned definition. Saying America does not know real terrorism is a litote, and a bad one at that. America may not get it as bad as other countries, but America certainly gets it, and really bad sometimes

The 'now' generation, has no ****ing idea. If America knows terrorism now it's from it's overly paranoid government and stupidly biased media rather than some horrible events, 9/11 was atrocious but atrocious things happen often in a lot of countries, maybe not planes being flown into buildings but in my opinion blowing up a hotel full of people is equally bad. Any loss of human life in that way is horrific.

As I said when YOU have a real taste for real terrorism, you can come back to me. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

The last time I was in a life-threatening situation because of a terrorist act was a few short months ago and I'm nowhere near as paranoid or fearful as a lot of Americans.

[Queen Bea.]

I realise reading back my previous post that it implies that certain groups of people in the USA are no longer being persecuted, I know they are but my point is they aren't blowing up buildings or executing people in front of school children.

There is a difference between violent crime from hateful intolerant people and terrorism. I suppose scale is the difference.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by itstotallybea

The 'now' generation, has no ****ing idea. If America knows terrorism now it's from it's overly paranoid government and stupidly biased media rather than some horrible events, 9/11 was atrocious but atrocious things happen often in a lot of countries, maybe not planes being flown into buildings but in my opinion blowing up a hotel full of people is equally bad. Any loss of human life in that way is horrific.

As I said when YOU have a real taste for real terrorism, you can come back to me. Until then, I don't want to hear it.

The last time I was in a life-threatening situation because of a terrorist act was a few short months ago and I'm nowhere near as paranoid or fearful as a lot of Americans.

Keep your expletives low Bea, we don't want to turn this into a nasty cat fight

The "now" generation does have an idea. 2001, that was their experience with terrorism. While you may think that blowing up a hotel is equally as bad to a country as 9-11, which is a horrible overstatement, it's your biased opinion which I have to respect. But not only did 9-11 kill people, it was damaging to the country in political ways too. So there is more than one form of consequence in that respect,

And while I don't want to come across terrorism, and I don't plan to, it wouldn't matter because I am only one American out of approximately 300 or so million. They could be experiencing terrorism that no one will know of, simply because it can go unreported.

And I'm sorry to hear that last part, but using pathos to try to win an argument like this is useless because we are here for the facts, not anecdotes.

[Queen Bea.]

Now you are making it ****ing personal. I'm not using 'anecdotes' to try and win in an argument, I am making a point that what you know as terrorism and what I would define as terrorism are two different things, real terrorism is literally being scared to go out of your house because of bombs, shootings etc. all the freaking time (most shootings in America are for a completely different reason and a whole other story). American terrorism at the moment it seems is largely based off of paranoia, it is not bias and this is the first time in a debate I've been genuinely angered by your posts.

If you are working to scale, blowing up a hotel in Northern Ireland is comparable to 9/11, how is any loss of human life less than the next? I knew people that died in 9/11, it was horrible, I used to live in New York ffs, yet people in the USA who were no-where near NY and knew no-one there were practically ******** themselves with fear. I am not trying to take away from that atrocity, it will go down in history as a dark day and those people will always be remembered but you do not experience the day to day horror that people in Northern Ireland have lived with for more than 30 years.

God help the USA if you have to go through the kind of stuff I've seen because as soon as fear and paranoia set in, they've won. Good luck with that.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by itstotallybea

Now you are making it ****ing personal. I'm not using 'anecdotes' to try and win in an argument, I am making a point that what you know as terrorism and what I would define as terrorism are two different things, real terrorism is literally being scared to go out of your house because of bombs, shootings etc. American terrorism at the moment it seems is largely based off of paranoia, it is not bias and this is the first time in a debate I've been genuinely angered by your posts.

If you are working to scale, blowing up a hotel in Northern Ireland is comparable to 9/11, how is any loss of human life less than the next? I knew people that died in 9/11, it was horrible, I used to live in New York ffs, yet people in the USA who were no-where near NY and knew no-one there were practically ******** themselves with fear.

God help the USA if you have to go through the kind of stuff I've seen because as soon as fear and paranoia set in, they've won. Good luck with that.

But again, using your back story by saying that you were scared to leave your house is the technical definition of an anecdote, so you are guilty of using one whether it was to inform me or whatever you wanted to accomplish.

There are no two different definitions of Terrorism, and as I've said before, there are without a doubt plenty of Americans experiencing terrorism everyday, but does that mean there terrorism isn't real because of paranoia? I don't think so

And who wouldn't be fearful of what happened in 9/11. Those attacks were done by extremists who could have done the same thing to a different part of the country. If you are trying to say that America is paranoid because of that, you can hold up. The Northern Ireland terrorist attack I am sure scared other people in Ireland as well, just as fearful as the Americans too. Does that mean they don't know the real definition of terrorism because they have not immersed themselves with it? You can't play a double role here

That last line was unnecessary, and as such, I will not respond appropriately to it.

[Queen Bea.]

I never said I was scared to leave my house, i said people in the USA don't truly understand what it is like to feel like that or to have reason to feel like that.

If you look at a previous post I said bombs here have become an inconvenience rather that a horror, people here do not let it effect them like some in the USA do. Don't try and tell me how people here react because you have no idea. The reaction here tends to be 'Oh crap a bomb on the Lisburn Rd, how am I gonna get home now' instead of 'Oh **** let's put security guards everywhere and X-Ray people coming into the country and let's get the media to play it up big style'. People here don't let it get them down because IF they did, they would never leave the house, maybe we are all used to it because we grew up with it.

My point in the beginning was, compared to here America just looks paranoid and surely if you were even trying to have an open mind youd see why someone who grew up with bombs going off once a week would be annoyed at seeing 10 yrs of paranoia and fear off of one, albeit huge, attack. That is letting the terrorists win, because people are terrified.

I have nothing left to say to you, you don't know the situation like I do and clearly have no interest in seeing another point of view or looking at it from another country's side. I lived in America for years, my boyfriend lives there still and I am in and out of the country constantly so I DO know that side as well, I was living in the USA during 9/11, in fact I was in New York. It still doesn't change my opinion on anything. You come and live here for a few years, then I'll listen.

[RatedG²]

Very mature Bea...

What a sour puss

[Queen Bea.]

Originally posted by RatedGaga

Very mature Bea...

What a sour puss

Right yeah because I am being immature, you watch people being murdered then you have someone else downplay it and laugh calling you biased or whatever and then let's see how well you keep your temper.

You can't possibly understand.

And I will take that as your resignation from this discussion because experience trumps newspapers.

[RatedG²]

I obviously can't understand, and I admitted that on more than 1 occasion, but saying that you have nothing left to say after you got your points through isn't very mature, and seems that you are annoyed when I had no intention to do that in the first place. Oh well

[Queen Bea.]

Originally posted by RatedGaga

I obviously can't understand, and I admitted that on more than 1 occasion, but saying that you have nothing left to say after you got your points through isn't very mature, and seems that you are annoyed when I had no intention to do that in the first place. Oh well

I wouldn't have been annoyed in the first place if you hadn't have been disrespectful in your first post. And when it is such a sensitive matter you have to be so careful what you say so don't tell me that I over-reacted, some topics make people livid and hurt and this is certainly one of those things because yeah, it is very personal.

I am not being immature, I simply have nothing left to say on the matter, you don't have an open mind about the situation so what else could I say?

[RatedG²]

I don't really know where I became disrespectful, but I'm sorry if I did. I really don't like to make enemies, including a fellow Gaga stan. I do understand that it's personal, so I did not try to get too far in to really hurt you, but...you know the rest

I do have an open mind, I just need more factual statistics and data to be convinced. I'm not like the rest of the goat America, and I do try to find ways to look at both issues before making a rational decision.

[Queen Bea.]

Originally posted by RatedGaga

I don't really know where I became disrespectful, but I'm sorry if I did. I really don't like to make enemies, including a fellow Gaga stan. I do understand that it's personal, so I did not try to get too far in to really hurt you, but...you know the rest

I do have an open mind, I just need more factual statistics and data to be convinced. I'm not like the rest of the goat America, and I do try to find ways to look at both issues before making a rational decision.

Well facts and statistics don't come anywhere near as close as experience, I have lived in both places, I know both sides of the story and I have been totally honest about that. I never blamed Americans, I blamed the media and the security measure, that ups paranoia.

I don't dislike you, just some things you said.

[Travis10]

OK, time for a new topic!

Something much lighter/friendlier in subject! **Tags GeoKing's wall**

[Forevermore]

Previous Topics
#1 - Abortion
#2 - Same-Sex Marriage (Gay Marriage)
#3 - Gun Control
#4 - Immigration (Illegal or Undocumented)
#5 - Euthanasia
#6 - War in Afghanistan
#7 - Evolutionary Theory
#8 - Separation of Church & State
#9 - Legalization of Soft Drugs
#10 - Animal Rights
#11 - China
#12 - Internet Privacy
#13 - Drinking Age
#14 - Embryonic Stem Cell Research
#15 - Nuclear Weapons
#16 - U.S. Foreign Policy
#17 - Homeland Security

#18
Communism/Socialism

In Developing Countries?
Economically?
Domestically?

[Queen Bea.]

Communism is nice in theory, like many things, but obviously the reality is completely different.

People need ambition, they need to be challenged and they need reward for hard work.

[Forevermore]

Originally posted by itstotallybea

Communism is nice in theory, like many things, but obviously the reality is completely different.

People need ambition, they need to be challenged and they need reward for hard work.

What about in developing countries?