[spc08]

Originally posted by Boneslive

I don't care about Ciara and shine because if the product is good then she will get that no matter who comes out. Speechless is already giving that promise like effect with so many people so i don't see the issue.

Exactly

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by 1-N-Only21

Ciara didn't have a real hit last era. I don't care if it peaked @ #10.

It was a bigger and much more notable hit than "Ride."

[spc08]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

It was a bigger and much more notable hit than "Ride."

Not to her solid fanbase it wasn't.

[Boneslive]

BI has already been in a better place than FR so idg the comparison

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by spc08

Not to her solid fanbase it wasn't.

What does have to do with her competition?

[Boneslive]

If that hit wasn't a "hit" for her fanbase then they wouldn't come out to put in numbers against the competition is what he means

[eli's_rhythm]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

It was a bigger and much more notable hit than "Ride."

It was Justin Timberlake's hit. People checking for Ciara were not checking for that.

[1-N-Only21]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

It was a bigger and much more notable hit than "Ride."

"Ride" dominated Urban radio, and even did better @ Rhythmic. Plus the video got a lot of buzz.
Ciara's sales aren't coming from iTunes singles. They're coming from radio HITS. Like always.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by 1-N-Only21

"Ride" dominated Urban radio, and even did better @ Rhythmic. Plus the video got a lot of buzz.
Ciara's sales aren't coming from iTunes singles. They're coming from radio HITS. Like always.

Urban artists aren't really as dominant as you think. Urban artists with Urban AC support is however. That's why someone like Jazmine is someone to watch out for.

[spc08]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

What does have to do with her competition?

Idk where you are trying to go with this, but Ride is a bigger hit for her fanbase than any other hit last era. What does it have to do with competition?
I just know with Ride & soon to be Speechless, Ciara is setting herself up to have good #'s with this album because her fanbase would actually support.

[Rico Shameless v2]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

It was a bigger and much more notable hit than "Ride."

Um....not really. Maybe by sales (due to it's mainstream outlook), which weren't even that massive proving the point. Also, it bombed on radio and quickly disappeared. "Ride" is much more notable than "LSM", as far as longevity, it's radio success, and format success.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by spc08

Idk where you are trying to go with this, but Ride is a bigger hit for her fanbase than any other hit last era. What does it have to do with competition?
I just know with Ride & soon to be Speechless, Ciara is setting herself up to have good #'s with this album because her fanbase would actually support.

We'll see. But don't underestimate the competition. A #1 opening is not sold.

[1-N-Only21]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

Where are they coming from? Urban artists aren't really as dominant as you think. Urban artists with Urban AC support is however. That's why someone like Jazmine is someone to watch out for.

I just said radio.

Look @ Ciara's history in digital sales, even back when "Goodies" was out. She's never been a digital artist, and her album still went Triple Platinum.

"Fantasy Ride" not only had 48585th pushbacks, no promotion and horrible lead single like "Go Girl" but it had two singles that were dead by the release of the album that did nothing for anybody that was trying to buy a Ciara album.

[spc08]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

We'll see. But don't underestimate the competition. A #1 opening is not sold.

Of course you can never count out competition, I don't see where any one disproved that.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by 1-N-Only21

I just said radio.

Look @ Ciara's history in digital sales, even back when "Goodies" was out. She's never been a digital artist, and her album still went Triple Platinum.

You edited your post. I didn't see it until I quoted and posted.

Sorry about that.

You can't possibly compare "Ride"'s success to the successes of "Goodies," "1,2 Step," and "Oh." Not to mention all the other stuff she had in her favor in 2004/5.

[chi-town_kidd]

Originally posted by LoveVsMoney

by who? who's releasing in Nov?

and i wouldnt be suprised if we dont get the album until Nov. i hope it's a lot
sooner tho

Nov. Releases (of the top of my head)

Wayne, Nicki, Kanye, Nelly, etc.

[1-N-Only21]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

You edited your post. I didn't see it until I quoted and posted.

Sorry about that.

You can't possibly compare "Ride"'s success to the successes of "Goodies," "1,2 Step," and "Oh." Not to mention all the other stuff she had in her favor in 2004/5.

I'm not comparing the success, I'm saying she's more radio then digital.
Do I think "Ride" would have made the album go Triple Platinum? Obviously not.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by 1-N-Only21

I'm not comparing the success, I'm saying she's more radio then digital.
Do I think "Ride" would have made the album go Triple Platinum? Obviously not.

Well, "Ride" probably would have been a bigger success and crossed over if it was released during that time. I think we have to see what "Speechless" and "Gimme Dat" do before we make real predictions. "Ride" is dying, and those songs are impacting. I doubt "Ride" has much of an influence at this point. Everything between now and the release date will determine the album's fate.

[1-N-Only21]

Originally posted by Captain Planet

I doubt "Ride" has much of an influence at this point.

I think it does. People aren't going to forget it.

[Boneslive]

Sure Ride has an impact...it's like a teaser before the meal. No different from Get Up.