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Discussion: Your thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"
Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
Why should they have to move?
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Simply to have RESPECT for victims who do not agree with it. They know that Americans don't want it there, so why go through all the trouble to put it in that location?
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
But I did read those FB pages comments, and they are VERY RUDE and OFFENSIVE. What is wrong with some Americans today? It's like they are just so bigheaded and don't want to listen
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exactly. i really dont know what to say. it's gnna be a problem.
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by discostickk23
If I were a Muslim in charge of this I would simply move the location. Americans don't want any problems and aren't hating all Muslims. It would not be difficult for them to move, so why can't they just do it?
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If you think most of the Republican outrage isn't about Islamophobia, you're sorely mistaken.
Check this out - American Family Association: No More Mosques
Guess what? They would still be angry if this mosque were being built three blocks away. I'm betting four, five, and six blocks too. Angry, racist Americans have been protesting mosques around the country in the last few years, predicated on the idea that all Muslims are violent.
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Member Since: 11/2/2009
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Disco, they are Americans too. 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Simply to have RESPECT for victims who do not agree with it. They know that Americans don't want it there, so why go through all the trouble to put it in that location?
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In the 1960's during the sit-ins and freedom rallys, most of the supporters knew that most American's didn't agree with them, so why did they go through all of that trouble? To make a point, to make a point, TO MAKE A POINT. This location is to make a point and to say it LOUD without any unnecessary casualties
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
To be honest, it's the internet. I take everything with a pinch of salt because people say things online that they wouldn't dare in real life. I've met nice Americans, clearly they exist  but I find some of the views posted on forums absolutely outrageous |
If they won't say these things in public, but will say them in anonymity online, which side is more real?
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Member Since: 5/4/2010
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Simply to have RESPECT for victims who do not agree with it. They know that Americans don't want it there, so why go through all the trouble to put it in that location?
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So you're basically saying that you think normal Muslims and terrorists are the same  The IRA blew up part of the city centre where I live, does that mean we shouldn't have a St Patrick's Day parade despite the amount of Irish people here? No, because that was a tiny minority. Not on the same scale but it's the same point. You're basically saying you're offended by a place of worship because you blame an entire religion for a few nutters. You might as well admit it now because it's pretty clear from your posts on this thread that you're unable to separate terrorists from normal people in your mind
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Member Since: 11/2/2009
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Originally posted by Twai
If you think most of the Republican outrage isn't about Islamophobia, you're sorely mistaken.
Check this out - American Family Association: No More Mosques
Guess what? They would still be angry if this mosque were being built three blocks away. I'm betting four, five, and six blocks too. Angry, racist Americans have been protesting mosques around the country in the last few years, predicated on the idea that all Muslims are violent. |
This.
It wouldn't be any different if it were being built in Detroit, L.A, Miami, someone would mad.
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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Originally posted by Music
Disco, they are Americans too.
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this
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Member Since: 5/4/2010
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Originally posted by Twai
If they won't say these things in public, but will say them in anonymity online, which side is more real?
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Good point I guess...
I'd rather judge people on knowing them than generalising an entire nation based on idiots on the internet. People's true opinions always come out in the end IMO
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Originally posted by Music
This.
It wouldn't be any different if it were being built in Detroit, L.A, Miami, someone would mad.
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 @ this ignorance. They should never ever move to Oldham where I used to live, it would blow their bigoted little minds 
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
So you're basically saying that you think normal Muslims and terrorists are the same The IRA blew up part of the city centre where I live, does that mean we shouldn't have a St Patrick's Day parade despite the amount of Irish people here? No, because that was a tiny minority. Not on the same scale but it's the same point. You're basically saying you're offended by a place of worship because you blame an entire religion for a few nutters. You might as well admit it now because it's pretty clear from your posts on this thread that you're unable to separate terrorists from normal people in your mind |
put words in my mouth all you want, but i know what i believe and support. all i know is that it is completely unnecessary for the mosque to be built at that location. Ground Zero and the surrounding area should be a place of patriotism and in honor of those who died. Is it okay for the Japanese to build a cultural center right next to Pearl Harbor?
How about this...If American terrorists went to the Middle East and blew up a building with 3000 people, would the people in their country want an American Cultural Center next to the site?
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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someones arguing with me on fb about this. could someone add me and argue on my wall for me. this is annoying.
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Member Since: 9/28/2009
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Islam isn't a race or nationality, so the Japan analogy doesnt make sense. American Muslims should be allowed to build themselves a cultural centre if that is what they would like.
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Member Since: 5/4/2010
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Originally posted by discostickk23
put words in my mouth all you want, but i know what i believe and support. all i know is that it is completely unnecessary for the mosque to be built at that location. Ground Zero and the surrounding area should be a place of patriotism and in honor of those who died. Is it okay for the Japanese to build a cultural center right next to Pearl Harbor?
How about this...If American terrorists went to the Middle East and blew up a building with 3000 people, would the people in their country want an American Cultural Center next to the site?
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It's not about nationality, it's about religion. Are Muslim and American mutually exclusive in your mind too? And not one of the Muslims in the USA are patriotic? Yeah, I'm sure they just spit on the graves of the dead and really hate America
You've proven my point again in this post, you made it into a 'them and us' discussion. It's actually a great opportunity for them to show unity and show people like you that not all Muslims are fundamentalists. I'm not an expert but I thought you guys valued freedom of religion? Or is that just freedom of religion so long as it's Christianity?
You've proven yourself incapable of seeing people as individuals, maybe you need to get out there and make some Muslim friends because you clearly don't understand the vast majority them.
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The Japan analogy does make sense...a majority of Japanese people did not agree with what the government was doing, that doesn't make all Japanese bad. So if it were the same situation and I was against, I would obviously be called racist.
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
It's not about nationality, it's about religion. Are Muslim and American mutually exclusive in your mind too? And not one of the Muslims in the USA are patriotic? Yeah, I'm sure they just spit on the graves of the dead and really hate America
You've proven my point again in this post, you made it into a 'them and us' discussion. It's actually a great opportunity for them to show unity and show people like you that not all Muslims are fundamentalists. I'm not an expert but I thought you guys valued freedom of religion? Or is that just freedom of religion so long as it's Christianity?
You've proven yourself incapable of seeing people as individuals, maybe you need to get out there and make some Muslim friends because you clearly don't understand the vast majority them. |
Get your facts straight bud. I have plenty of Muslim friends and even they think this is wrong. Nothing against them. They just respect 9/11 families and have great consideration for them. If they did decide to move, people would have so much respect for them.
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Member Since: 5/4/2010
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Get your facts straight bud. I have plenty of Muslim friends and even they think this is wrong. Nothing against them. They just respect 9/11 families and have great consideration for them. If they did decide to move, people would have so much respect for them.
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Right so your Muslim friends don't think they should be allowed freedom of religion? How is a room for someone to go and pray in disrespectful for 9/11 families? My local shopping centre has one, it's a plain room which is quiet. Why is that offensive to anyone other than an Islamophobe? Thousands of people have been murdered in the name of Christianity in my country whether it's Catholics to Protestants or the reverse, does that mean churches should be banned here? You can't ever move on and have an inclusive society that's learned its lessons if you don't move forwards together and what you're suggesting is that an entire religion should be penalised for the actions of a few. You can spin it how you like but that's basically what you're saying
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Its not a matter of freedom of religion. it's a matter of respect which you obviously don't have. Its not even that big of a sacrifice. all they would have to do is relocate. Life isn't always fair and politically correct and people have to deal with that.
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Member Since: 5/4/2010
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Its not a matter of freedom of religion. it's a matter of respect which you obviously don't have. Its not even that big of a sacrifice. all they would have to do is relocate. Life isn't always fair and politically correct and people have to deal with that.
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No, life isn't fair when they have to deal with people like you
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Originally posted by StarryEyed
No, life isn't fair when they have to deal with people like you
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same to inconsiderate people like yourself
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