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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
This is the big problem with her. By late 2015 Democrats were getting so frustrated because she wouldn't acknowledge her wrong doing, and made jokes like "Did I wipe it with a cloth?". It cost her so much in the polls. Nearly every other politician basically says to their advisers "What can I do to make this scandal go away?". But she always does the exact opposite and makes it worse.
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Proof?
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Like, Trump never apologizes for anything and Bernie sweeps his past votes under the rug and she spent the entire election apologizing and she's the one with the apology problem that'd cost her in the polls? Give me a break. It's amazing the excuses people will come up with to vote wrong.
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Hell, her concession speech started with "I'm sorry"
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Originally posted by King Maxx
How do you make a non-scandal go away though?
People didn't want it to go away because they already hated her so they used that to justify it.
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There's no such thing as a non-scandal when you're running for President. Let's not forget Mitt and his dog riding on top of his car. It's like the speeches, the server, everything with her if she didn't do it she would have won, but she made all these bad decisions and then got mad at the media for covering it. And the Clinton Foundation, she was shocked that anyone had the nerve to look at it.
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Originally posted by Mr. Grey
Mess at that one remaining Hillary supporter defending Hillary´s innocence of her character and her ran during the primaries. 
But yeah, God chose Trump to be the next president  |
God uses the Electoral College?
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
There's no such thing as a non-scandal when you're running for President. Let's not forget Mitt and his dog riding on top of his car. It's like the speeches, the server, everything with her if she didn't do it she would have won, but she made all these bad decisions and then got mad at the media for covering it. And the Clinton Foundation, she was shocked that anyone had the nerve to look at it.
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I disagree. CNN doing this "Clinton Foundation donors may have gotten access to a state dinner. Will it hurt her poll numbers?" =/= "Clinton Foundation may have some serious conflicts of interests"
My point is that the media cares so much about optics and poll numbers, and not cover the full context of it. Americans did not care about the foundation. The media made us care about it. And that was true with Trump. CNN wanted their guests to discuss what Trump's taxes would do to this poll numbers, but didn't care to actually cover the topics that NYTimes covered on his Cuba dealings, etc. At least give the whole entire scope of something, not just clickbait. And if you do, can we not spend two weeks on that one topic.
I would've rather Hillary lost the election because of Obamacare and not how "trustworthy" she was.
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Oh please. The foundation attacks by the media were pure slander and none of them led to anything conclusive or accurate. How can you even defend that? Our biggest arms clients are Saudi Arabia and the last time they donated was 2007. It was one of the lamest lines of attacks from the Trump side; a man who's never bothered to help the poor in his own life, unlike her, yet he was built up as a voice for the poor.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Oh please. The foundation attacks by the media were pure slander and none of them led to anything conclusive or accurate. How can you even defend that? Our biggest arms clients are Saudi Arabia and the last time they donated was 2007. It was one of the lamest lines of attacks from the Trump side; a man who's never bothered to help the poor in his own life, unlike her, yet he was built up as a voice for the poor.
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the issue people had with the Clinton Foundation's close ties to the State Department are the exact same issue people are having with Trump running his business while still having a stake in his business - just like with Trump, it's hard to definitively prove that kleptocracy is taking place but there is evidence that it is. if you have some kind of moral objection to Trump not placing his assets in a blind trust but you don't have the same objection to the Clinton Foundation/State Department situation then I'm sorry but you're a hypocrite. foreign governments donating money to the Clinton foundation is the exact same thing as a foreign government booking a Trump hotel as a venue. the fact that the Clinton Foundation is non-profit does not change the fact that it's a slush fund, it only means that the Clintons profit more indirectly from this kleptocracy while Trump profits directly
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Three weeks before Election Day, as she sat at her kitchen table to fill out her ballot, Kim McKinney Cohen was angry and fed up. The Democratic Party, to which she had been unswervingly loyal for four decades, had sabotaged her chosen candidate, Bernie Sanders, and then lectured her about the need to vote for a woman whose hawkishness and arrogance rubbed her the wrong way. When Hillary Clinton said dismissively supporters of Donald Trump were “a basket of deplorables,” Cohen had heard enough.
“Well, then,” she sighed, "I guess I'm a deplorable.”
She took a black ink pen and carefully shaded in the rectangle next to the name Donald J. Trump.
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“It was my primal scream,” Cohen says. “I wasn’t gonna take it anymore.”
She honestly never imagined Trump would win. And even though she finds his choices for Cabinet and other top White House jobs “cringe-worthy,” Cohen doesn't regret her radical act of defiance. She feels that by helping take the Democrats to rock bottom, they’ve been “given a gift” to rebuild their party.
“I wanted it burned down ... so that we could build a new, hopefully more equitable one that meets the needs of all, not only the super-rich,” she said.
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“I went all in for Bernie,” she said. “But the DNC burned him, so I went off the plantation to become a deplorable.”
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Bernie would have united the Democrats and won.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...mp-vote-214534
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I disagree. CNN doing this "Clinton Foundation donors may have gotten access to a state dinner. Will it hurt her poll numbers?" =/= "Clinton Foundation may have some serious conflicts of interests"
My point is that the media cares so much about optics and poll numbers, and not cover the full context of it. Americans did not care about the foundation. The media made us care about it. And that was true with Trump. CNN wanted their guests to discuss what Trump's taxes would do to this poll numbers, but didn't care to actually cover the topics that NYTimes covered on his Cuba dealings, etc. At least give the whole entire scope of something, not just clickbait. And if you do, can we not spend two weeks on that one topic.
I would've rather Hillary lost the election because of Obamacare and not how "trustworthy" she was.
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Yes I agree the media are trash. One journalist I heard interviewed today from the Washington Post basically admitted that everyone thought Hillary would win and that slanted the coverage. The problem is that all that matters is what gets the most hits and viewers. No one cared about Trump's dealings. Part of Hillary's problem is that she couldn't sell a positive vision, so the narrative about her focused on all her negatives.
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
the issue people had with the Clinton Foundation's close ties to the State Department are the exact same issue people are having with Trump running his business while still having a stake in his business - just like with Trump, it's hard to definitively prove that kleptocracy is taking place but there is evidence that it is. if you have some kind of moral objection to Trump not placing his assets in a blind trust but you don't have the same objection to the Clinton Foundation/State Department situation then I'm sorry but you're a hypocrite. foreign governments donating money to the Clinton foundation is the exact same thing as a foreign government booking a Trump hotel as a venue. the fact that the Clinton Foundation is non-profit does not change the fact that it's a slush fund, it only means that the Clintons profit more indirectly from this kleptocracy while Trump profits directly
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I'm sorry but I'm gonna need solid proof that the foundation money gets out and ends up in their pockets because so far not even the media are willing to reach that far (They only go for the pay-for-play crap and how Bill uses his special events, speaking events etc. to make money both for himself and the foundation at the same time which there's nothing wrong with)
Journalists have gone over the tax returns over and over again and they couldn't find one cent that's gone out of the charity unaccounted.
But yes it is a conflict of interest as that charity does boost the Clintons' profile which of course makes them more bookable for high class events which in return makes the foundation more money etc. It's a cycle. Too bad unlike Trump she actually was going to change the donation rules to just domestic and have her apolitical daughter run it all by herself.
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Trump still hasn't released his taxes. I like the man but I'm not blind. bitch I'm still waiting for his financial tea 
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They only politicized the foundation to avoid talking about how Hillary is the only candidate who's actually lifted people out of poverty. There was no outrage over the Bush foundation taking in millions of dollars from foreign governments without nearly the level of transparency of the Clinton Foundation.
Both are still far ahead of the true slush fund that's the Trump foundation.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I'm sorry but I'm gonna need solid proof that the foundation money gets out and ends up in their pockets because so far not even the media are willing to reach that far (They only go for the pay-for-play crap and how Bill uses his special events, speaking events etc. to make money both for himself and the foundation at the same time which there's nothing wrong with)
Journalists have gone over the tax returns over and over again and they couldn't find one cent that's gone out of the charity unaccounted.
But yes it is a conflict of interest as that charity does boost the Clintons' profile which of course makes them more bookable for high class events which in return makes the foundation more money etc. It's a cycle. Too bad unlike Trump she actually was going to change the donation rules to just domestic and have her apolitical daughter run it all by herself.
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in addition to the argument that the foundation is a pay-for-play enterprise, close associates of the Clinton family drew a six figure income from the foundation. foreign countries are indirectly paying the Clinton family by donating to the charity. again, it's the exact same scenario as Trump's business only more circuitous.
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
in addition to the argument that the foundation is a pay-for-play enterprise, close associates of the Clinton family drew a six figure income from the foundation. foreign countries are indirectly paying the Clinton family by donating to the charity. again, it's the exact same scenario as Trump's business only more circuitous.
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Those are a chairman and a CEO. Those are their yearly salaries obviously. It's a 2 billion $ foundation after all. It needs top quality leadership.
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Some journalists are such *******. "This is the danger of Twitter"
No, Obama had a Twitter for as long as we can remember. Trump is just a moron. He can't even spell unprecedented.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I did NOT expect them to stay together following her loss |
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I don't why you think their relationship was fake.
No woman as strong as her stays with a man who did her dirty. Bill did more to hurt her image than help. THAT'S LOVE!
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That one video with the light falling in the 90s was all the proof I needed tbh.
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why was my thread closed, i sometimes loathe this website
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Originally posted by valyrianpopstar
why was my thread closed, i sometimes loathe this website
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This is the thread to post stuff like that - repost it in here
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