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Discussion: How much of Lemonade did Beyonce write?
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Originally posted by TheFireLexus
This is not a thing. There is no such thing as a "lead" writing credit. You think people sit down calculating who wrote how many words or melodies or harmonies to determine the order in which to list names?
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Yes there is The main writer is always credited first and so on.
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Originally posted by TheFireLexus
percentages for publishing splits and royalties are about what is in the contracts they signed, which is a private matter.
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For the tracks where a Songs Publishing songwriter was part of the team, you can find the official splits for the songs here.
https://songsearch.songspub.com
Use the search by Artist Tab:
* All Night - 5% - Beyonce Knowles
* 6 Inch (feat. The Weeknd) - 9.13% - Beyonce Knowles
* Hold Up - 1.29% - Beyonce Knowles
Those are just the official numbers - sometimes artists will agree to split 50/50 and then one does more work than the other and sometimes a bigger artist can negotiate a larger share of the publishing rights.
From the official numbers we know about I'm guessing maybe 5% overall.
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
All these diseration and essays yet my question hasn't even answered. If Beyonce is so involved with her music as y'all claim why doesn't she have any lead songwriting credits on her two most personal albums compared to people like Adele, Taylor, Mariah and Alicia. In fact. On 6 inch heel. The weekend has lead song writing credits and it's not even his song.
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CANCEL Beyonce from your avi, your NP and your supposed Stan list, you fake ass, snake in the grass bitch.
That is all.
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Originally posted by Letemtalk
For the tracks where a Songs Publishing songwriter was part of the team, you can find the official splits for the songs here.
https://songsearch.songspub.com
Use the search by Artist Tab:
* All Night - 5% - Beyonce Knowles
* 6 Inch (feat. The Weeknd) - 9.13% - Beyonce Knowles
* Hold Up - 1.29% - Beyonce Knowles
Those are just the official numbers - sometimes artists will agree to split 50/50 and then one does more work than the other and sometimes a bigger artist can negotiate a larger share of the publishing rights.
From the official numbers we know about I'm guessing maybe 5% overall. |
what did she contribute? some ohhhhh and ahhhhh and her name?
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are yall done?
ok.
lemonade still has a 92 on metacritic, its still nominated for album of the year, and it's still ranked at #1 on countless year end lists. your little tantrum hasn't changed that
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Originally posted by Letemtalk
https://songsearch.songspub.com
Use the search by Artist Tab:
* All Night - 5% - Beyonce Knowles
* 6 Inch (feat. The Weeknd) - 9.13% - Beyonce Knowles
* Hold Up - 1.29% - Beyonce Knowles
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Just for fun, and not wanting to pit women against women, we can also find these ones on the same site:
* Woo - 12.5% - Robin Fenny
* Needed Me - 10% - Robin Fenny
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as if ATRL has the correct / educated answer
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
All these diseration and essays yet my question hasn't even answered. If Beyonce is so involved with her music as y'all claim why doesn't she have any lead songwriting credits on her two most personal albums compared to people like Adele, Taylor, Mariah and Alicia. In fact. On 6 inch heel. The weekend has lead song writing credits and it's not even his song.
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Where do you see whether or not she has lead writing credit or not?
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
"vocal arrangement" is NOT considered songwriting like what is this delusion?  I guess now anyone who sings is considered a songwriter? |
Dead @ you thinking songwriting credits are limited to writing lyrics. Melodies, harmonies and vocal arrangements be damned.
Clearly if that was the case, vocal arrangers and producers wouldn't exist.
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
All these diseration and essays yet my question hasn't even answered. If Beyonce is so involved with her music as y'all claim why doesn't she have any lead songwriting credits on her two most personal albums compared to people like Adele, Taylor, Mariah and Alicia. In fact. On 6 inch heel. The weekend has lead song writing credits and it's not even his song.
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You're question was answered several pages ago. You're just wilfully ignorant and stuck in it. Why would anyone waste their time, in further enlightening you? Nope, you can stay ignorant and bitter about it.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
...Way to miss the point.
And yes, Taylor does write all of her songs, what are you talking about? She was signed as a writer when she was 14 with a publishing deal, before she even got a record deal. She's very acclaimed as a writer and has won plenty of accolades for her work....BMI even named an award after her. |
That's cute for Taylor. However, It still doesn't change the fact, she doesn't write all her songs. She's worked with other songwriters. As I stated earlier, it's only highlighted by her camp, because she's not a great singer.
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Originally posted by Letemtalk
For the tracks where a Songs Publishing songwriter was part of the team, you can find the official splits for the songs here.
https://songsearch.songspub.com
Use the search by Artist Tab:
* All Night - 5% - Beyonce Knowles
* 6 Inch (feat. The Weeknd) - 9.13% - Beyonce Knowles
* Hold Up - 1.29% - Beyonce Knowles
Those are just the official numbers - sometimes artists will agree to split 50/50 and then one does more work than the other and sometimes a bigger artist can negotiate a larger share of the publishing rights.
From the official numbers we know about I'm guessing maybe 5% overall. |
Oh wow! That is far, far less than I really thought 
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She isn't lead on any song, which means she didn't write much.
Compare her writing credits with those of Gaga, Taylor Swift, Adele and Katy and Rihanna and you get your tea. I suppose hers would be more similar to Rihanna, than the others which are known for writing their own songs.
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Beyoncé isn't very involved in the writing of her songs, unlike Katy, Gaga, Adele, Taylor, and Kesha. Songwriting is not her strength. She needs help in that area. So I don't think much of Lemonade, like all her albums really, came from Beyoncé. There has long been talk about dodgy dealings and dishonesty going on in the credits but I don't have all the T on that.
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Originally posted by Letemtalk
For the tracks where a Songs Publishing songwriter was part of the team, you can find the official splits for the songs here.
https://songsearch.songspub.com
Use the search by Artist Tab:
* All Night - 5% - Beyonce Knowles
* 6 Inch (feat. The Weeknd) - 9.13% - Beyonce Knowles
* Hold Up - 1.29% - Beyonce Knowles
Those are just the official numbers - sometimes artists will agree to split 50/50 and then one does more work than the other and sometimes a bigger artist can negotiate a larger share of the publishing rights.
From the official numbers we know about I'm guessing maybe 5% overall. |
Yeah, I'm not buying this one as presented -- there's nowhere stating the posted percentage is what's credited to the performing artist; like when I expand Hold Up, for instance, the 1.285% is listed for Songs Music Publishing LLC (that's not Bey's publishing -- she's listed under Beyonce Giselle Knowles and/or W B Music publishing) and it appears to credit Thomas Pentz.
You can get Bey's publishing information on the ASCAP repertory and what they're saying on that site conflicts with what you can deduce from ASCAP's holding information.
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Who cares? She knows what she wants, she has vision and carefully selects who she works with. Everyone is credited and the result is an excellent piece of work. 'It's not really hers' is completely invalid, everything on the album is what she wants there.
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Originally posted by ABeyBraith
Who cares? She knows what she wants, she has vision and carefully selects who she works with. Everyone is credited and the result is an excellent piece of work. 'It's not really hers' is completely invalid, everything on the album is what she wants there.
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Lemonade is marketed as a "personal" album and we're told constantly about how near and dear it is to Beyoncé's heart, of course this discussion is valid.
But to answer the question, I don't think much of anything comes from Beyoncé, she's just the brand that carries the product.
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Originally posted by Hazard
Beyoncé isn't very involved in the writing of her songs, unlike Katy, Gaga, Adele, Taylor, and Kesha. Songwriting is not her strength. She needs help in that area. So I don't think much of Lemonade, like all her albums really, came from Beyoncé. There has long been talk about dodgy dealings and dishonesty going on in the credits but I don't have all the T on that.
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I agree... there that rumour that she will only record a song when she is listed as the songwriter... so, many talented songwriters submit their material in hopes her celebrity gets the song heard.
the weird thing is, the media goes along with it.
That is also why we end up with 3 billion names long credits these days.. because one person writes a song, submits it to a team and then they add some words here and there and need tons of producers to rob the song of its individuality.
in some cases one could say XY song is actually a cover or samples another song.
Most of our faves (the aging divas foremost) have had a 1 writing partner and or crafted new material on their very own.
the funniest thing ever to me is still that Rihanna recorded one of her albums, can't remember which one - but i think it was loud - in 12 days or so bc her producers and songwriters had the material ready for her.
There is nothing wrong with it tho... it's only kind of shady when you claim to be a songwriter.
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