[MrLovett]

Originally posted by Haburo

she didn't go to school, of course she is going to need help writing. this isn't surprising or unusual.

the only time this stuff comes up for her is when she pretends it was all her.

She did go to school. Then she continued with home schooling and received her high school diploma. Stop embarrassing yourself with this utter nonsense. She's not the one lacking a brain here.

[TheFireLexus]

Originally posted by RideOrDie

Yes, they actually do. It's not a matter of counting words but producers/writers decide how much splits they and the singers get. The person with the most splits gets written first but sometimes the splits are shared equally so there's not really an order.

Publishing splits/royalties are different from credits. Sometimes they are the same, but at the end of the day, there is no rule about credits.

For example, Beyonce could write her name first on every song in the credits on her album, but it wouldn't matter because the percentages for publishing splits and royalties are about what is in the contracts they signed, which is a private matter.

Beyonce could even list her name as the only songwriter on a song, but could be getting 0% of the royalties, depending on the terms of the contract she signs with the writer. That is what ghostwriters do, they write and let someone else take the credit, even though they might still be getting royalties in secret.

Even on sites like ASCAP and BMI, it's impossible to tell because names are listed alphabetically.

So, basically, there is no way to tell the level of involvement just by reading album credits. All people have to go by is the words of the people involved. So if people who actually work on the music say one thing, saying "her name is listed last" isn't a reasonable way to diminish it.

[GrownBoy92]

Originally posted by Kuntmonster

Ok you sound stupid right now. Take Daddy Lessons for example - he doesn't literally mean "she went and made all of these changes" - if that was the case, the original writer and Beyoncé would be the only credited writers. But in Daddy Lessons there are 7 or so writers credited.

When he says "she took it away and made these changes" he actually means she took it away and sat down with a team of people and made the changes, not solely her on her own. Again, hence there being a lot of writers on the song and not just those two. If she literally took his song and made the changes all herself there would be 2 writers on the song.

This is what Beyoncé does, always has done and always will do. The hive just need to accept that she has a huge team of people helping her out and stop being delusional.

/endthread

The thread doesn't end when you decide with your ridiculous points.

You never was and never will be in the studio with Bey to say she doesn't write alone.

And you so mad cuz your fav needed 4 writers to write a repetitive song like Perfect Illusion?

[Tutankhamun]

Originally posted by JustActinUP

No. It's been proven she did more than just change the title of the song. For one the vocal arrangement is different. The only thing messy here, are the gerls that think songwriting is limited to writing lyrics.

"vocal arrangement" is NOT considered songwriting like what is this delusion? I guess now anyone who sings is considered a songwriter?

[Bad Blood]

Originally posted by FloridaKilos

A word/line change in every song purposefully so she could get credited. So to answer your question, below minimal involvement.

Tea

[J-esper]

Originally posted by ShouldersSideways

Well, according to Jack White she took DHY and turned it into what it is. According to Mike Will, she wrote two verses on Formation. The 6 Inch demo is incredibly different than the finished product. The writer of Sandcastles said she rewrote the entire ending. She has the sole production credit on Daddy Lessons and made it the country song that it is.

I could go on.

!!!!

[castle13]

1%

[KingB®]

oh, i see the bitter people on here are still fuming

[GrownBoy92]

Originally posted by Bad Blood

Tea

You wish

[J-esper]

Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS

Y'all still seething?

Indeed!

[Lippy]

One word change in every song I believe

[KingB®]

Originally posted by Lippy

One word change in every song I believe

All of the producers and songwriters literally tell otherwise but only ATRL still tries to come at her with this bland shade.
Do you if it makes you fell better though.

[TheFireLexus]

Originally posted by ShouldersSideways

Well, according to Jack White she took DHY and turned it into what it is. According to Mike Will, she wrote two verses on Formation. The 6 Inch demo is incredibly different than the finished product. The writer of Sandcastles said she rewrote the entire ending. She has the sole production credit on Daddy Lessons and made it the country song that it is.

I could go on.

Don't Hurt Yourself has other writers who could have made the changes Jack White refers to.
6 Inch also has a bunch of other people involved who could have made it different.
Same with Sandcastles.

Just saying

But, there's no way to know if that is the case. And even if it is the case, I don't think there's anything fraudulent or dishonest about the credits. If she even changed a single word, she deserves the credit. It's fair and it's legal.

You people here spend so much time crying over credits, and for what? What difference will it make?

[TheFireLexus]

Originally posted by MissedTheTrain

...Way to miss the point.

And yes, Taylor does write all of her songs, what are you talking about? She was signed as a writer when she was 14 with a publishing deal, before she even got a record deal. She's very acclaimed as a writer and has won plenty of accolades for her work....BMI even named an award after her.

You are hilarious. On every single page of this thread crying about what exactly? Didn't Beyonce also win a songwriting award? Yet you've been trying to discredit her for how long now? It's especially ironic coming from you, who has a meltdown every single time someone has something even remotely negative to say about a certain someone, calling them "obsessed" "sick" etc. What would you say about yourself, here?

[Otter]

I love Bey and she kills vocal arrangements but her actual song writing is minimal on Lemonade. Thats not to say she doesn't deserve credit but when looking at the songs it's clear much of the credit of their creation goes elsewhere. Generic statements about how the final differs from the original doesn't necessarily equal changes Beyonce made. I see her as a great Director of music and the outcome of the music is what matters most but I do hope in a coming era she does create more stuff from the ground up.

When you see someone forge a song from nothing, it's hard to compare that to someone who just edits a song once the hardwork has been done.

[Kisuke]

So according to everyone that worked on Lemonade she wrote the most of it.
And some gerls behind their laptop who have never been in a studio want to ( spill) tea.

[prézli]

Zero.

[GrownBoy92]

Originally posted by Kisuke

So according to everyone that worked on Lemonade she wrote the most of it.
And some gerls behind their laptop who have never been in a studio want to ( spill) tea.

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[Fenty The Great]

Shade aside, every Beyonce album SOUNDS like her. I've never heard a Beyonce song on any of her last albums that doesn't sound like something she would say/think/feel. So she must contribute something.

[AALIYAH DANA]

All these diseration and essays yet my question hasn't even answered. If Beyonce is so involved with her music as y'all claim why doesn't she have any lead songwriting credits on her two most personal albums compared to people like Adele, Taylor, Mariah and Alicia. In fact. On 6 inch heel. The weekend has lead song writing credits and it's not even his song.