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Discussion: How much of Lemonade did Beyonce write?
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Originally posted by Pikachoo
I wonder how an album written and produced solely by Beyonce would sound?
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Do you wonder this about your own fave? 
But it's Beyoncé that bothers you 
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Originally posted by St. Charles
What's more puzzling is why you think this. |
I don't see any threads like "How much of Anti did Rihanna write?" or "How much of Glory did Britney write?" with 10+ pages.
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Originally posted by Superpower
Do you wonder this about your own fave?
But it's Beyoncé that bothers you |
I do. Mariah would do fine. She'd obviously need another producer to actually work the knobs and such and someone to play piano for her (she can play but not well) but I think she'd manage just fine
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Originally posted by Pikachoo
I do. Mariah would do fine. She'd obviously need another producer to actually work the knobs and such and someone to play piano for her (she can play but not well) but I think she'd manage just fine
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No she won't. She's not Prince or Stevie Wonder.
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Member Since: 2/20/2012
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Originally posted by Superpower
Do you wonder this about your own fave?
But it's Beyoncé that bothers you |
Some of us don't need to wonder about our own faves, because they actually do it (the album in my avi, for example).
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Originally posted by Pikachoo
I do. Mariah would do fine. She'd obviously need another producer to actually work the knobs and such and someone to play piano for her (she can play but not well) but I think she'd manage just fine
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She sure would...
An album full of Touch My Body , Obsessed & Thirsty's.
THE SLAYAGE
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Originally posted by St. Charles
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The first thread doesn't even have a full page of replies and the second one is positive. 
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Not some of y'all trying to claim your fave is at the same skill level of Prince. Multi-instrumentalist they're not.
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
The first thread doesn't even have a full page of replies and the second one is positive. |
Yeah I realized that later lol. But these just came from googling "songwriting atrl." Lol.
Maybe it's because we seem to have struck a nerve with the Hive on this one? I also don't think other artists would gather 10 pages because their stans probably wouldn't care enough to drag it to that point. 
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Yeah I realized that later lol. But these just came from googling "songwriting atrl." Lol.
Maybe it's because we seem to have struck a nerve with the Hive on this one? I also don't think other artists would gather 10 pages because their stans probably wouldn't care enough to drag it to that point. |
Or their stans report 30 seconds after it's posted and get it closed. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Ascension
Or their stans report 30 seconds after it's posted and get it closed. Just a thought.
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That's also true but that has to do with mod bias also. A lot of threads here get closed w/o being reported.
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Just about enough to have her name listed under that AOTY nomination on the Grammy website. The hive knows what Bey does and we say it 24/7 so I'm saving all of that.... There are billions of people in the world and they aren't listening to scribbles being done on paper in their headphones. Get over it.
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
Some of us don't need to wonder about our own faves, because they actually do it (the album in my avi, for example).
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Lies. Just searched online and and he had help. Dave Sardy. Some songs Noel didn't even produce 
Same for your mobile avi. Rob Thomas had help too
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Originally posted by PrettyHurts
Enough of it for you to shut your bitch ass up
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The 2002 recipient and the 1st Black woman to ever win the ASCAP Songwriting Award is unbothered by any shade. You can discredit her as much as you want but all of her collaborators literally give you proof of her massive involvement in the songs. There have been interviews by audio engineers, producers etc. who praise her hard work and musical ear and knowledge, her writing skills etc.
And that is that.
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She wrote enough.
I'd say she wrote about 30-40% of the lyrics, 80% of the vocal arrangements and maybe re-arranged 30-40% of the music.
She had her hand in every song at some stage, so it doesn't matter. It's all hers. If those songs ended up with someone else they would have sounded different. If her vocal style is continuously present throughout all her albums and there are musical and thematic similarities on all of them despite the different writers and producers over the years, you have to be able to put aside your bias and admit that she's heavily involved.
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Originally posted by Havoc
Sandcastles:
As Beyonce worked on the project – she received “Sandcastles” in February 2015, Berry said -- the songwriter knew he wanted to keep ownership of the record instead of signing a publishing agreement, but that meant making great sacrifices.
“I wanted to own it and that’s a harder road. That meant being homeless and sleeping in cars and garages and studios and that’s what I was willing to do,” said Berry, who now lives in Woodland Hills. “I knew I couldn’t sign a publishing deal knowing what they are -- essentially a high-interest loan. Why would I take that kind of deal?”
On the final version of the record, which Berry heard ahead of the album’s April release, Beyonce wrote a more hopeful ending than the one Berry originally penned.
“And your heart is broken cause I walked away / Show me your scars and I won't walk away,” Beyonce sang. “And I know I promised that I couldn't stay, baby / [But] every promise don't work out that way.”
Daddys Lessons
Beyoncé is a scientist of songs. I’ve never seen anyone work the way she works. She definitely changes the song structures. She can take two songs, say, “I like two lines, I like the melody then let me use that for a verse and a bridge and write the whole middle.” It’s more of a collaboration. You never know what she’ll like. I came to her with a bunch of songs and she was like, “I like that verse, I like the idea.” But she definitely doesn’t take things as is, at least not from me.1 I came in on the Jack White song [“Don’t Hurt Yourself”] and helped finish it.
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You’d written Daddy Lessons before you worked with her?
When I played it for her, I was like, “This is one of my favorite songs.” [b]She was like, “This is my life.” I told her, “You know what, take it, do what you want with it.” She went and re-produced it, she changed some words, added the bridge, it’s hers. She didn’t talk to me about her father. We didn’t go into details. I see their relationship in the media just like everyone else. I watched the HBO special just like everyone else.
Formation:
Will later ran into Bey at a hotel-room hangout with LeBron James and the Cavaliers, he says. “And Bey was like, ‘Yo, I like that “formation” idea.’ And I told her what I was thinking about the woman empowerment, and she was like, ‘Yeah I kinda like that idea.’ And she just left it like that.” Although Beyoncé wrote new verses for the song, she built around the central mantra. “We were just thinking about it being a female anthem,” Will added. “Because I knew I just wanted a banger with Beyoncé, like a ‘Single Ladies,’ but I wanted it to be a new kind of chant.”
Will spent a week in the studio with Beyoncé working on the track. She “took this one little idea we came up with on the way to Coachella, put it in a pot, stirred it up, and came with this smash,” he says. “She takes ideas and puts them with her own ideas, and makes this masterpiece. She’s all about collaborating.” He added, “That’s what makes her Beyoncé. Being able to know what she wants. A lot of people don’t know what they want.
Dont Hurt Yourself:
You're a business partner with Jay Z in his Tidal streaming service as well. Is that how Beyoncé got the idea of coming over and ringing your bell?
You know, I just talked to her and she said, "I wanna be in a band with you." [Laughs.] I said, "Really? Well, I'd love to do something." I've always loved her voice — I mean, I think she has the kind of soul singing voice of the days of Betty Davis or Aretha Franklin. She took just sort of a sketch of a lyrical outline and turned into the most bodacious, vicious, incredible song. I don't even know what you'd classify it as — soul, rock and roll, whatever. "Don't Hurt Yourself" is incredibly intense; I'm so amazed at what she did with it
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Ok you sound stupid right now. Take Daddy Lessons for example - he doesn't literally mean "she went and made all of these changes" - if that was the case, the original writer and Beyoncé would be the only credited writers. But in Daddy Lessons there are 7 or so writers credited.
When he says "she took it away and made these changes" he actually means she took it away and sat down with a team of people and made the changes, not solely her on her own. Again, hence there being a lot of writers on the song and not just those two. If she literally took his song and made the changes all herself there would be 2 writers on the song.
This is what Beyoncé does, always has done and always will do. The hive just need to accept that she has a huge team of people helping her out and stop being delusional.
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Originally posted by TheFireLexus
This is not a thing. There is no such thing as a "lead" writing credit. You think people sit down calculating who wrote how many words or melodies or harmonies to determine the order in which to list names?
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Yes, they actually do. It's not a matter of counting words but producers/writers decide how much splits they and the singers get. The person with the most splits gets written first but sometimes the splits are shared equally so there's not really an order.
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