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Discussion: How much of Lemonade did Beyonce write?
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
MESS. yes there is. In songwriting the person who contributes the most to the song get's lead writing credits. Than it goes in order of decreasing contribution. Imogen heap has a writing credit on Clean but she said Taylor did most of the work and she did minimal changes. hence why Taylor name is first
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Again, this is not a thing. There is no rule whatsoever about how these things should go. What would have happened if Beyonce listed her name first on every song? You think the other writers would have taken her to court?  Just because stans on the internet have accepted this to be true doesn't mean it is.
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Originally posted by 5hfangurl
They do indeed calculate the percentage of how much was written by who, so that they can determine who gets what percentage of the royalties. Don't know/think the order has anything to do with that though.
(Usually writers share evenly when they calculate. Were there three writers in the room, they give each 33%, even if someone wrote more than the other)
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Royalties are completely different from credits. People whose names are listed on credits may not even get royalties, depending on what contracts they sign. All the Lemonade songwriters, for example, could very well not receive any royalties if they decided to sign the rights over completely to Beyonce beforehand. Credits and royalties have nothing to do with each other.
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Enough to have writing credits.
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Originally posted by Havoc
Sandcastles:
As Beyonce worked on the project – she received “Sandcastles” in February 2015, Berry said -- the songwriter knew he wanted to keep ownership of the record instead of signing a publishing agreement, but that meant making great sacrifices.
“I wanted to own it and that’s a harder road. That meant being homeless and sleeping in cars and garages and studios and that’s what I was willing to do,” said Berry, who now lives in Woodland Hills. “I knew I couldn’t sign a publishing deal knowing what they are -- essentially a high-interest loan. Why would I take that kind of deal?”
On the final version of the record, which Berry heard ahead of the album’s April release, Beyonce wrote a more hopeful ending than the one Berry originally penned.
“And your heart is broken cause I walked away / Show me your scars and I won't walk away,” Beyonce sang. “And I know I promised that I couldn't stay, baby / [But] every promise don't work out that way.”
Daddys Lessons
Beyoncé is a scientist of songs. I’ve never seen anyone work the way she works. She definitely changes the song structures. She can take two songs, say, “I like two lines, I like the melody then let me use that for a verse and a bridge and write the whole middle.” It’s more of a collaboration. You never know what she’ll like. I came to her with a bunch of songs and she was like, “I like that verse, I like the idea.” But she definitely doesn’t take things as is, at least not from me.1 I came in on the Jack White song [“Don’t Hurt Yourself”] and helped finish it.
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You’d written Daddy Lessons before you worked with her?
When I played it for her, I was like, “This is one of my favorite songs.” [b]She was like, “This is my life.” I told her, “You know what, take it, do what you want with it.” She went and re-produced it, she changed some words, added the bridge, it’s hers. She didn’t talk to me about her father. We didn’t go into details. I see their relationship in the media just like everyone else. I watched the HBO special just like everyone else.
Formation:
Will later ran into Bey at a hotel-room hangout with LeBron James and the Cavaliers, he says. “And Bey was like, ‘Yo, I like that “formation” idea.’ And I told her what I was thinking about the woman empowerment, and she was like, ‘Yeah I kinda like that idea.’ And she just left it like that.” Although Beyoncé wrote new verses for the song, she built around the central mantra. “We were just thinking about it being a female anthem,” Will added. “Because I knew I just wanted a banger with Beyoncé, like a ‘Single Ladies,’ but I wanted it to be a new kind of chant.”
Will spent a week in the studio with Beyoncé working on the track. She “took this one little idea we came up with on the way to Coachella, put it in a pot, stirred it up, and came with this smash,” he says. “She takes ideas and puts them with her own ideas, and makes this masterpiece. She’s all about collaborating.” He added, “That’s what makes her Beyoncé. Being able to know what she wants. A lot of people don’t know what they want.
Dont Hurt Yourself:
You're a business partner with Jay Z in his Tidal streaming service as well. Is that how Beyoncé got the idea of coming over and ringing your bell?
You know, I just talked to her and she said, "I wanna be in a band with you." [Laughs.] I said, "Really? Well, I'd love to do something." I've always loved her voice — I mean, I think she has the kind of soul singing voice of the days of Betty Davis or Aretha Franklin. She took just sort of a sketch of a lyrical outline and turned into the most bodacious, vicious, incredible song. I don't even know what you'd classify it as — soul, rock and roll, whatever. "Don't Hurt Yourself" is incredibly intense; I'm so amazed at what she did with it
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and there you have it.
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Originally posted by 5hfangurl
None of those mentioned above are any singular geniuses, they rely on the power of others to collaborate with them in order to create the best product. I really don't think it matters who does what behind the scenes, as long as we know the people that are doing it are getting their credit and the end result is satisfiying for the costumer.
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Adele wrote hometown glory all by herself. Taylor wrote a whole album by herself  Mariah wrote Hero by herself.
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30%?
Basically, using academic essays as a metaphor... writers give her outlines with the thesis, all the claims, she adds some evidence to back them up and exposition to make it flow.
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I'd say about 30%. Most of her contribution was vocal arrangement I'd say, but she definitely did not come up with a song all by herself. she was probably given a song and then she made a few modifications
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Well, I think most of the songs were brought to her as finished products and she made some changes (whether that's changing a couple lines or a whole verse). Take that as you will, but it's not the same "songwriting" that people like Taylor Swift, Adele, etc. do where they sit down and write a song (alone or with collaborators). I'm not sure what % she has, but she doesn't have any lead writing credits so I'm sure it's no more than 50%.
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Enough of it for you to shut your bitch ass up
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Originally posted by Lyrical.
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Not every pop girl writes every single word in their albums. So crazy that it's only Bey that gets flack for it. |
It's because Beyonce's the only one who gives herself a writing credit after changing one word in a song. Crazy.
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Well you can tell she wrote Formation with those lyrics 
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How are we supposed to know lol
Somewhere between 5-95%?
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Originally posted by VOSS
It's because Beyonce's the only one who gives herself a writing credit after changing one word in a song. Crazy.
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Lol no, again credits features the following
-writing
-producing
-vocal productions
Hence the reason why she gets her name on the credits on some songs and other for adding bridges, verses,etc.
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Originally posted by daydreams
30%?
Basically, using academic essays as a metaphor... writers give her outlines with the thesis, all the claims, she adds some evidence to back them up and exposition to make it flow.
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Basically this
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Originally posted by Lyrical.
Some?
Not every pop girl writes every single word in their albums. So crazy that it's only Bey that gets flack for it. |
Everybody does.
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
Adele wrote hometown glory all by herself. Taylor wrote a whole album by herself Mariah wrote Hero by herself. |
And? Beyoncé has written tons of songs on her own (see DC discography and Solo work) and produced/arranged her vocals.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
And? Beyoncé has written tons of songs on her own (see DC discography and Solo work) and produced/arranged her vocals.
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Can you show me a song where she "wrote on her own" 
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Originally posted by Havoc
Sandcastles:
As Beyonce worked on the project – she received “Sandcastles” in February 2015, Berry said -- the songwriter knew he wanted to keep ownership of the record instead of signing a publishing agreement, but that meant making great sacrifices.
“I wanted to own it and that’s a harder road. That meant being homeless and sleeping in cars and garages and studios and that’s what I was willing to do,” said Berry, who now lives in Woodland Hills. “I knew I couldn’t sign a publishing deal knowing what they are -- essentially a high-interest loan. Why would I take that kind of deal?”
On the final version of the record, which Berry heard ahead of the album’s April release, Beyonce wrote a more hopeful ending than the one Berry originally penned.
“And your heart is broken cause I walked away / Show me your scars and I won't walk away,” Beyonce sang. “And I know I promised that I couldn't stay, baby / [But] every promise don't work out that way.”
Daddys Lessons
Beyoncé is a scientist of songs. I’ve never seen anyone work the way she works. She definitely changes the song structures. She can take two songs, say, “I like two lines, I like the melody then let me use that for a verse and a bridge and write the whole middle.” It’s more of a collaboration. You never know what she’ll like. I came to her with a bunch of songs and she was like, “I like that verse, I like the idea.” But she definitely doesn’t take things as is, at least not from me.1 I came in on the Jack White song [“Don’t Hurt Yourself”] and helped finish it.
[...]
You’d written Daddy Lessons before you worked with her?
When I played it for her, I was like, “This is one of my favorite songs.” [b]She was like, “This is my life.” I told her, “You know what, take it, do what you want with it.” She went and re-produced it, she changed some words, added the bridge, it’s hers. She didn’t talk to me about her father. We didn’t go into details. I see their relationship in the media just like everyone else. I watched the HBO special just like everyone else.
Formation:
Will later ran into Bey at a hotel-room hangout with LeBron James and the Cavaliers, he says. “And Bey was like, ‘Yo, I like that “formation” idea.’ And I told her what I was thinking about the woman empowerment, and she was like, ‘Yeah I kinda like that idea.’ And she just left it like that.” Although Beyoncé wrote new verses for the song, she built around the central mantra. “We were just thinking about it being a female anthem,” Will added. “Because I knew I just wanted a banger with Beyoncé, like a ‘Single Ladies,’ but I wanted it to be a new kind of chant.”
Will spent a week in the studio with Beyoncé working on the track. She “took this one little idea we came up with on the way to Coachella, put it in a pot, stirred it up, and came with this smash,” he says. “She takes ideas and puts them with her own ideas, and makes this masterpiece. She’s all about collaborating.” He added, “That’s what makes her Beyoncé. Being able to know what she wants. A lot of people don’t know what they want.
Dont Hurt Yourself:
You're a business partner with Jay Z in his Tidal streaming service as well. Is that how Beyoncé got the idea of coming over and ringing your bell?
You know, I just talked to her and she said, "I wanna be in a band with you." [Laughs.] I said, "Really? Well, I'd love to do something." I've always loved her voice — I mean, I think she has the kind of soul singing voice of the days of Betty Davis or Aretha Franklin. She took just sort of a sketch of a lyrical outline and turned into the most bodacious, vicious, incredible song. I don't even know what you'd classify it as — soul, rock and roll, whatever. "Don't Hurt Yourself" is incredibly intense; I'm so amazed at what she did with it
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This, Bey does quite a bit with the lyrics, but on the songs where she doesn't do much changing or contribution lyrically, she does the arrangements and all of her own vocal production. And damn near every one of her collaborating writers and producers have talked in depth about her process so people that want to believe that she does nothing or sings demos karaoke style and changing a word will willfully do so. 
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Originally posted by MrBeyonceFan
Lol no, again credits features the following
-writing
-producing
-vocal productions
Hence the reason why she gets her name on the credits on some songs and other for adding bridges, verses,etc. |
Don't even bother. Most of them don't even understand the process of songwriting. They think it's limited to writing lyrics.
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Watch mods ignore this thread like they do all flaimbait ones about Beyonce :rolleseyes:
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
Can you show me a song where she "wrote on her own" |
Who do you think wrote independent woman part 1 & 2? Those are just quick examples.
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