[midnightdawn]

Remember when you were all cheering for Hillary to go to Texas and Arizona and the goddamn firewall wasn't even secure. I hope her strategists never work again. Half of them look under 30 and seemed very cocky. KellyAnne was out there working her a** off while Robby would turn up on CNN once a fortnight and not push the case at all.

[Buyonce1814]

Hillary Clinton's Popular Vote Lead Expands to Over 1 Million

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by midnightdawn

Remember when you were all cheering for Hillary to go to Texas and Arizona and the goddamn firewall wasn't even secure. I hope her strategists never work again. Half of them look under 30 and seemed very cocky. KellyAnne was out there working her a** off while Robby would turn up on CNN once a fortnight and not push the case at all.

Well she did lose Arizona by only 80,000 and Texas was in the single digits for the first time in ages so instead of choosing one or the other, they should've just done both She had so many funds to burn, a trip to Madison wouldn't have hurt

They went for the young fresh angle, but that didn't do shhh. People care about the candidate, but no one cares about the campaign team so they can be whatever age as long as it works. I hope this is the last Yas Men Team we ever have

[Jacketh]

Can we stop pretending Clinton would be president if this was done based on the popular vote? Sure, she may have been, but its not certain.

The fact the Electoral College exists mean that Trump (and Clinton) both targeted different states and different people. Trump was always going after PA, WI, and MI - he wanted the blue collar worker. And by adapting his message and campaign for them, he got their states. Clinton went for a progressive campaign and simply hoped to rally the Obama coalition and get his states.

If the election was run on the popular vote, the WHOLE dynamics of the election would have been different. Trump's campaign would have likely spent more time reaching out to traditional conservatives as well (so in Utah, Texas, etc), and who knows, he might have campaigned in blue states like California just to ensure Clinton doesn't with by a huge margin there.

It would have been a completely different election if it was done on the popular vote. Both campaigns would have had to change their message. Different states and different demographics would have come into play. It is by no means certain Clinton would have won if it was by the popular vote. She won the popular vote in an election that was done under the EC - that logic is assuming that the results would have translate the same. Which wouldn't have happened.

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by Jacketh

Can we stop pretending Clinton would be president if this was done based on the popular vote? Sure, she may have been, but its not certain.

The fact the Electoral College exists mean that Trump (and Clinton) both targeted different states and different people. Trump was always going after PA, WI, and MI - he wanted the blue collar worker. And by adapting his message and campaign for them, he got their states. Clinton went for a progressive campaign and simply hoped to rally the Obama coalition and get his states.

If the election was run on the popular vote, the WHOLE dynamics of the election would have been different. Trump's campaign would have likely spent more time reaching out to traditional conservatives as well (so in Utah, Texas, etc), and who knows, he might have campaigned in blue states like California just to ensure Clinton doesn't with by a huge margin there.

It would have been a completely different election if it was done on the popular vote. Both campaigns would have had to change their message. Different states and different demographics would have come into play. It is by no means certain Clinton would have won if it was by the popular vote. She won the popular vote in an election that was done under the EC - that logic is assuming that the results would have translate the same. Which wouldn't have happened.

He could've campaigned until the cows come home, but the reality is that the only counties here for him are the remote ones with only a few thousand residents and lo and behold, coincidentally the few where whites are a supermajority. California Latinos are not like Texan ones who can be as conservative as their counterparts, people turned against Trump here, especially older Latino Republicans.

[Lord Blackout]

Well considering only the Republican Party has won solely through the EC and is the only one who blocks any attempt at revamping the EC, I would say there's a far stronger chance of her winning in that case regardless of the baseless conspiracy theory that there's a huge hidden red vote in blue states but there's no huge hidden blue vote in red states.

[Jacketh]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Well considering only the Republican Party has won solely through the EC and is the only one who blocks any attempt at revamping the EC, I would say there's a far stronger chance of her winning in that case regardless of the baseless conspiracy theory that there's a huge hidden red vote in blue states but there's no huge hidden blue vote in red states.

But the reason that they are winning solely through the EC is because it allows them to - they can do the maths and realise there is enough states in play for them to win it.

If you suddenly change to the popular vote, then, like I said, that changes the whole dynamics. The Republicans would have to change their platform and they would acknowledge that after winning the popular vote once in 16 years.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Jacketh

But the reason that they are winning solely through the EC is because it allows them to - they can do the maths and realise there is enough states in play for them to win it.

If you suddenly change to the popular vote, then, like I said, that changes the whole dynamics. The Republicans would have to change their platform and they would acknowledge that after winning the popular vote once in 16 years.

Well wouldn't that be for the best?

[LuLuDrops]

How long until GOP drops social issues? Any guesses? I was hoping they would at least remain quiet about them, but they ended up getting the Presidency with the most conservative platform ever

[T.C]

[Jacketh]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Well wouldn't that be for the best?

It would! I don't like the EC and I think its outdated.

But I'm not necessarily sure the direct popular vote is the best way to go in a constitutional Republic. Over here in the UK, Scotland is wayyyyyy over-represented when you look at their number of MPs v population, probably too much. But, I'm not again that - they're a different country with different ideals and different things are important to them.

If you do it strictly on popular vote, then all of a sudden candidates will only bother to visit the big cities and tailor their message to the cities. I think the best advantage of the EC is that it makes candidates reach out to different communities.

I'm not sure of any countries that elect entirely on popular vote for this reason. You're meant to be Prime Minister/President of the whole country. Even in the UK, where the popular vote winner normally always becomes Prime Minister, it still isn't direct and winning with less votes is still possible. And in a lot of proportional systems in Europe, its possible that the popular vote winner doesn't get in power by the second and third parties forming a Coalition with each other.

I don't like the EC, but a direct popular vote system has a lot of flaws.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by T.C

that's sad but people have the right to protest (and we probably won't have it for much longer so we might as well enjoy it now)

[T.C]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

that's sad but people have the right to protest (and we probably won't have it for much longer so we might as well enjoy it now)

Nah sorry, I'm not enjoying the death of someone at the expense of whiny brats having a tantrum over something they can't change.

I really hope this story isn't true.

[geo]

Well, back to the drawing board! He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country! The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one! We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us. More votes equals a loss...revolution! This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before.

[Inception]

Originally posted by Buyonce1814

Hillary Clinton's Popular Vote Lead Expands to Over 1 Million

This only makes me more depressed.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by geo

Well, back to the drawing board! He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country! The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one! We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us. More votes equals a loss...revolution! This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before.

this is all... true... but aren't you from England?

[DivaCup]

A “nation-state” used Wikileaks to influence the US election, the head of the NSA says



http://qz.com/838615/nsa-chief-on-wi...-nation-state/

Um....

[slw84]

All those kids arrested and they look like they've been through more than just an election upset.
I wish them well.

They need a good night rest.

Not surprised most of them didn't even vote.
I'd be surprised if more than 50% had jobs tbh.

My heart is so heavy...

[T.C]

Originally posted by slw84

All those kids arrested and they look like they've been through more than just an election upset.
I wish them well.

They need a good night rest.

Not surprised most of them didn't even vote.
I'd be surprised if more than 50% had jobs tbh.

My heart is so heavy...

And now people have possibly died because of them *see my above post*

Putrid.

[TaggedGalaxy]

My baby Robby must be so sad

I'll comfort you baby