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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
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omg yes, I saw another article (I don't remember where) that broke down the total number of minutes each cable news channel devoted to each individual issue and Hillary's email scandal had more TV coverage than any single policy from either candidate. that is so wild and SO unacceptable
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
I agree about respectability politics but he really did try to do things that would help the black working-class. the auto industry bailout is a good example because many of those companies operate in very black cities and employ many black workers. also he tried RELENTLESSLY to allocate funds in the budget toward infrastructure but he was roadblocked by congress on this to the point of shutting the government down.
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The problem here is that through all of the policy and legislation he did for the working class there were never specific measures to protect black folks. Without specific efforts to help our community blacks in this country are often left behind by "regular" legislation. To ensure progress for us it has to be explicitly outlined and yet he shied away from doing that:m.
Hence why we still have the highest rate of unemployment out of any demo. According to October 2016 numbers we're still at 8.6% but of course the media never mentions this 
I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it agin-- in terms of cultural impact, temperament, public perception, Etc.-- Obama was a dream president and his impact on Black America can't be denied. However his actual administration was extremely disappointing and is part of the reason young people are resisting neoliberalism. For me at least, this larger-than-life candidate promised change and hope... he delivered in some areas but failed in many others. He taught me that campaign promises will be scaled back, and whatever a candidate offers during election season will be moved to the right a few knotches upon winning. Hence my current support for progressive candidates.
Overall, Obama will become the DNC's Reagan which is kinda frightening to me. Yes he was the dream candidate but he is not above criticism and shouldn't be treated as such.
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The DNC knew last year that Hillary's negatives were so high that she'd need to be up against someone in a similar position and literally named Donald Trump as an option
Whatever the media says... she knows and they know that she was an extremely flawed candidate.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
omg yes, I saw another article (I don't remember where) that broke down the total number of minutes each cable news channel devoted to each individual issue and Hillary's email scandal had more TV coverage than any single policy from either candidate. that is so wild and SO unacceptable
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Like... people attributing her lack of enthusiasm to her strong campaign are deluded. It was completely about how controversial she also was in that election which led to the false equivalency and eventually dems staying home. And right when things were looking good again, all it took was Comey's letter and Chaffetz lying about an investigation being reopened for the media to talk about her for 24/7. She was set up to look untrustworthy. It happened to Gore and look how that turned out. People oughta hold the medias responsible for whatever disasters will come out of this presidency.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
The DNC knew last year that Hillary's negatives were so high that she'd need to be up against someone in a similar position and literally named Donald Trump as an option
Whatever the media says... she knows and they know that she was an extremely flawed candidate.
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That is true. They could have asked her to step down but they were too infatuated. Although it would have been disastrous for Bernie if she didn't campaign for him given that she already was screwed out of the 2008 primary and their primary was anything but pleasant. Longtime dems wouldn't have backed him in that scenario. The DNC needs to start planning long beforehand how to handle each scenario with the goal of winning the WH.
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
The DNC knew last year that Hillary's negatives were so high that she'd need to be up against someone in a similar position and literally named Donald Trump as an option
Whatever the media says... she knows and they know that she was an extremely flawed candidate.
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Amen
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“How we organize politically I think is something that we should spend some time thinking about. I believe that we have better ideas, but I also believe that good ideas don’t matter if people don’t hear them,” Obama told reporters Monday ahead of a foreign trip to Greece, Germany and Peru. “And one of the issues the Democrats have to be clear on is, given population distribution across the country, we have to compete everywhere. We have to show up everywhere. We have to work at a grass-roots level, something that’s been a running thread in my career.”
Obama outperformed Clinton substantially in most suburbs and in critical swing areas in the Midwest, like Michigan’s Oakland and Macomb counties.
Of the nearly 700 counties that twice sent Obama to the White House, a stunning one-third flipped to support Trump, who also won 194 of the 207 counties that voted for Obama either in 2008 or 2012.
During a candid and bittersweet post-election news conference in the White House, Obama signaled to Democrats a need to emphasize a 50-state strategy, citing his success in Iowa as an outline of an effective campaign.
“You know, I won Iowa not because the demographics dictated that I would win Iowa. It was because I spent 87 days going to every small town and fair and fish fry and VFW hall, and there were some counties where I might have lost, but maybe I lost by 20 points instead of 50 points,” Obama said. “There are some counties maybe I won that people didn’t expect because people had a chance to see you and listen to you and get a sense of who you stood for and who you were fighting for.”
The Democratic Party, which is looking to name a new chairman early next year ahead of the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election, must try to replicate that, added Obama, who described the party’s introspection as a “healthy thing” and advocated for “new voices and new ideas.”
“The challenge for a national party is how do you dig in there and create those kinds of structures so that people have a sense of what it is that you stand for,” Obama said, stressing the difficulty of doing so with just a national press strategy. “It’s increasingly difficult to do because of the splintering of the press. And so I think the discussions that have been taking place about how do you build more grass-roots organizing, how do you build up state parties and local parties and school board elections you’re paying attention to and state rep races and city council races, that all, I think, will contribute to stronger outcomes in the future. And I’m optimistic that will happen.”
The president conveyed that optimism by recalling how Democrats rebounded from a dismal showing in 2004, when John Kerry lost his White House bid and Democratic Senate leader Tom Daschle lost reelection.
“Things change pretty rapidly, but they don’t change inevitably,” Obama said. “They change because you work for it. Nobody said democracy’s supposed to be easy. It’s hard. And in a big country like this, it probably should be hard.”
In 2004, Obama and Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar “were the only two Democrats that won nationally,” he continued. “Republicans controlled the Senate and the House. And two years later, Democrats were winning back Congress. And four years later, I was president of the United States.”
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Ready for Obama to be labeled an untrustworthy sexist with no allegiance to the party. Or is that not how it works?
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Hello? hello it is vondeferl to be here.
I cant believe y'all still make a big deal of damn emails and pretend deleted emails is worse than anything trump said/did. LOL.
Racist, hateful, xenophobic, homophobic, rapist.. some of y'all hate Hillary for being 'corrupt' when trump is corrupt af lol. But anyways he won I'm just excited for the kiis the next FLOTUS will bring us.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I've always been impressed with Bernie's appeal.
An old white guy firing up the millennials like that. Some things truly do come in unexpected packages.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
The problem here is that through all of the policy and legislation he did for the working class there were never specific measures to protect black folks. Without specific efforts to help our community blacks in this country are often left behind by "regular" legislation. To ensure progress for us it has to be explicitly outlined and yet he shied away from doing that:m.
Hence why we still have the highest rate of unemployment out of any demo. According to October 2016 numbers we're still at 8.6% but of course the media never mentions this
I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it agin-- in terms of cultural impact, temperament, public perception, Etc.-- Obama was a dream president and his impact on Black America can't be denied. However his actual administration was extremely disappointing and is part of the reason young people are resisting neoliberalism. For me at least, this larger-than-life candidate promised change and hope... he delivered in some areas but failed in many others. He taught me that campaign promises will be scaled back, and whatever a candidate offers during election season will be moved to the right a few knotches upon winning. Hence my current support for progressive candidates.
Overall, Obama will become the DNC's Reagan which is kinda frightening to me. Yes he was the dream candidate but he is not above criticism and shouldn't be treated as such. |
A white republican congress is not gonna let him pass any measures that are specifically targeted to help blacks and Obama spoke about that directly. Heck they still speak ill about affirmative action.
The ACA covered millions or AAs and Hispanics, the auto bail out helped many AA working class folks in Michigan, he's pardoned more inmates (many of which were black) than the past nine Presidents combined. Could he have done more for the Black community, of course jus like he could've done more as a whole but when you have a Congress that refuses to work with you on anything, there's just not much you can get done without executive order
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Member Since: 11/5/2010
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Hello? hello it is vondeferl to be here.
I cant believe y'all still make a big deal of damn emails and pretend deleted emails is worse than anything trump said/did. LOL.
Racist, hateful, xenophobic, homophobic, rapist.. some of y'all hate Hillary for being 'corrupt' when trump is corrupt af lol. But anyways he won I'm just excited for the kiis the next FLOTUS will bring us.
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who is "y'all"?
don't come in here generalizing us.  most of us supporter hillary
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Obama should have had a justice system reform in the wake of all the BLM efforts.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I've always been impressed with Bernie's appeal.
An old white guy firing up the millennials like that. Some things truly do come in unexpected packages.
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Before Bernie I thought we needed a younger candidate to appeal to millennials. But ultimately he shown me that it's a battle for their hearts, not however old you are.
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Member Since: 10/14/2011
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
there were a lot of external factors that hurt her campaign and, collectively, most likely cost her the election:
(1) Russia conducting a psy-op war against Hillary by hacking & leaking her campaign emails (a top Russian official even admitted to doing this the day after the election)
(2) Republicans closing polling places in minority-dominated areas, especially in NC and FL
(3) Hillary having to defend not only her own policy decisions but her husband's
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Why is this the fault of the HACKERS?
It was the DNC that wrote those emails! If they didn't write any of the **** in their emails, "~the Russians~" wouldn't have ANYTHING to hack.
The DNC ruined their own chances. People have had enough of the regressive left.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Before Bernie I thought we needed a younger candidate to appeal to millennials. But ultimately he shown me that it's a battle for their hearts, not however old you are.
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Yes. Perhaps the next candidate to rally up people of color during the primary should be a blond white woman... oh wait
This election has been one strange thing after another nn
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by jinzo
Why is this the fault of the HACKERS?
It was the DNC that wrote those emails! If they didn't write any of the **** in their emails, "~the Russians~" wouldn't have ANYTHING to hack.
The DNC ruined their own chances. People have had enough of the regressive left.
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Lol at you acting as if the RNC don't have skulls in their closet
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Member Since: 11/18/2008
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Originally posted by Saskia
who is "y'all"?
don't come in here generalizing us. most of us supporter hillary |
The trumpanzees who keep acting like she killed someone.
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Member Since: 10/14/2011
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Lol at you acting as if the RNC don't have skulls in their closet
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If they do or if they don't, let's see. But the DNC provided themselves with the rope they hanged themselves with. It's their fault they lost this election. No one else.
It needs uprooting from top to bottom- representing the people and progressive values, and not their own interests. But right now it seems all liberals want to do is stick their fingers in their ears and scream until all the bad guys go away.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
The DNC knew last year that Hillary's negatives were so high that she'd need to be up against someone in a similar position and literally named Donald Trump as an option
Whatever the media says... she knows and they know that she was an extremely flawed candidate.
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No she was not, and your arguments are nonsensical.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by jinzo
If they do or if they don't, let's see. But the DNC provided themselves with the rope they hanged themselves with. It's their fault they lost this election. No one else.
It needs uprooting from top to bottom- representing the people and progressive values, and not their own interests. But right now it seems all liberals want to do is stick their fingers in their ears and scream until all the bad guys go away.
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Well there's Chris Christie and I highly doubt the RNC didn't have insider info on Bridgegate so there's that. There's the ties to Wikileaks and Russia and I highly doubt there was no communication between the two parts.
There was interference from a foreign government. For you to brush that off as an extra detail shows how clueless you are about democracy (Which, for the first time ever, America doesn't have the right to boast about anymore)
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