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Originally posted by Humoresque
Yes, please post in here more, we need more Madonna fans to keep this Base from falling to the shithole second page. 
I have Christopher's book (I keep it on the 'fiction' shelves in my library) but haven't given it a proper read. What did you think? |
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Originally posted by Reinvention
I haven't read his book - I assumed it was a bit of a desperate attempt to tear down Madonna in order to assert himself. Am I right? Would you recommend? Would like to hear your point of view.
Stanning Madonna is pretty lonely - even like 80% of people at the Rebel Heart tour I went to in Auckland wouldn't have even heard the new album.
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In the beginning it's interesting, it showcases family background stories and anecdotes from Madonna's career beginnings, but then the focus shifts and it's all about Christopher name dropping every celebrity he'd ever partied with (obviously thanks to Madonna). His personal struggles etc. which are quite boring because he blames Madonna for everything and pretends that she's the one who made him miserable. But he was the one who kept lying to her and telling her what she wanted to hear instead of being honest, something he admits to doing. He was basically her yes man and when she started cutting professional ties with him (because he became unreliable due to being a drug user) he felt personally offended. The book ends with him wishing her well but it's so contradictory because it's so obvious that all he wants is to drag her sister's name through the mud and sell dirty stories about her with that book. I would never do anything like that to someone who's my sibling and basically made me. And he keeps making remarks that are disgusting and totally unacceptable, at least to me. I would never do that and felt repulsed when reading it.
All in all, he tries to paint her in a bad light but in the end it's him who comes out as a total idiot. I wonder if they've made up since then and if he knows her children, because one of his concerns was that he barely saw Lola and Rocco. I read somewhere that he married recently but Madonna wasn't in attendance, so they are still on bad terms?  Or maybe she just didn't want to have that kind of attention there? Not sure if he even invited her to be honest. 
Sorry that came out long 
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Originally posted by izebize
I always decide to post here but then get caught up in other things, but since I'm already here...
It feels kinda lonely stanning her because only one of my friends like her music and he's just a casual fan so I don't really have many people to talk about this obsession  well besides my mom, but she only likes the first half of her career and a few more recent songs 
SO to cut to the chase I read Christopher's book and I wanted to ask if any of you read it and what did you think after reading it because I have a certain opinion on the whole thing but I'm curious what other fans made of it and since I don't know any personally this might be my best chance to ask about it  |
Part of the satisfaction of stanning Madonna comes from the way you personally connect with the music and the message, and the way your own relationship to it evolves as you do. I've never thought of it as being lonely, because I've learned so much about myself from her and her music. She's a blessing. 
And about the book... let's just say that Christopher failed miserably with it.  He only succeeds in making Madonna seem more fascinating than we already believe she is. Like when he says Truth or Dare is entirely staged and contains Madonna's best film performance. That only makes the movie more amazing.  Plus, there are a lot of factual errors that really irked me. I read it and enjoyed it but for the trash it is, not as truth.
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Imagine if Christopher's book gets a movie treatment like they did with Mommie Dearest.
A mess.
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Part of what made Mommie Dearest so fun was that Faye Dunaway was actually a fine actress (before the mess of MD  ) and even had an Oscar. Plus, she was working with an acclaimed director and screenwriter. The camp value of that movie comes from all the misguided real talent colliding and exploding like a nuclear bomb. There aren't really any good directors around who would find Life With My Sister Madonna worthy material, and Lady Gaga is not the kind of actress who can go that far left with a performance (playing a crazy bitch like Madonna no less  ) and still think she's doing a good job. If anything, her performance would just be fake-bad and that's the worst kind of camp. The people making the movie are NEVER supposed to be in on the joke. Case in point: Valley of the Dolls.
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Imagine if Christopher's book gets a movie treatment like they did with Mommie Dearest.
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I'm surprised Lifetime didn't jump on that when it was briefly a thing.
I like how it hasn't really made much of an impact in the long run. People mention it from time to time, but never really delve into the details (probably because there really isn't that much dirt).
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Originally posted by mrmikefern
If anything, her performance would just be fake-bad and that's the worst kind of camp. The people making the movie are NEVER supposed to be in on the joke. Case in point: Valley of the Dolls.
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Agreed re: Mommie Dearest, but IDK about this bit.
What about 'Pink Flamingos'? Or 'Rocky Horror Picture Show'? They're interacting with the history of camp/trash (Waters with Warhol/Morrissey, for example) and with cinematic forms in the process, while also introducing some subversive commentary on gender/sexuality/violence, etc.
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For me, the best kind of bad movies or camp or whatever you want to call it, are the ones where the people involved don't really "get it" Famously awful movies like Mommie Dearest, The Room, etc., they succeed on such a high level because they're SO bad and yet they have such conviction in how they present themselves. It's deadly serious to them. Once you get the sense that they're in on the joke and catering to you, asking you to make fun of them, the air is kind of let out. The viewer basically needs to feel like they see something that the creative team behind the work did not.
That being said, an update of Valley of the Dolls, set in the music industry instead of film, with Madonna playing the Helen Lawson role of aging, hyper-professional bitch superstar, delivering every line in that flat, super self-conscious 'how can I add a sexual subtext to this' tone she adopts on screen? I'd give my money to go see it opening weekend.
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Originally posted by mrmikefern
Part of the satisfaction of stanning Madonna comes from the way you personally connect with the music and the message, and the way your own relationship to it evolves as you do. I've never thought of it as being lonely, because I've learned so much about myself from her and her music. She's a blessing. |
Yes, but sometimes I want to share that experience with people and talk about it. Sadly so far I didn't have too many chances to do so 
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Originally posted by izebize
Yes, but sometimes I want to share that experience with people and talk about it. Sadly so far I didn't have too many chances to do so |
Well you're among friends here! 
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Originally posted by Mr. Fahrenheit
Agreed re: Mommie Dearest, but IDK about this bit.
What about 'Pink Flamingos'? Or 'Rocky Horror Picture Show'? They're interacting with the history of camp/trash (Waters with Warhol/Morrissey, for example) and with cinematic forms in the process, while also introducing some subversive commentary on gender/sexuality/violence, etc.
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You're absolutely right. Those were movies made by some of the first real 'students' of modern camp, and they're both landmarks of their genres. I was speaking of my own enjoyment of movies now considered camp, movies that aim to deal with serious subject matter without any sense of the satirical.
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Originally posted by izebize
Yes, but sometimes I want to share that experience with people and talk about it. Sadly so far I didn't have too many chances to do so |
oh no boo
right here u can talk to any of us
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Originally posted by izebize
Yes, but sometimes I want to share that experience with people and talk about it. Sadly so far I didn't have too many chances to do so |
You're always welcome here  and you can always look forward to being the one to introduce Madonna's art to those poor Madonnaless souls
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Well you're among friends here! |
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Originally posted by dabunique
oh no boo
right here u can talk to any of us
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Originally posted by mrmikefern
You're always welcome here and you can always look forward to being the one to introduce Madonna's art to those poor Madonnaless souls |
Thank you, this means a lot!
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QUESTION TIME!
This one should be a tough one for most of you.
What is your favorite live Like a Prayer performance of all-time?
Think, and think hard.
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I don't think any Like A Prayer performance is very standout for me, unfortunately.
No, it's the S&S Tour version, easily.
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Originally posted by Nemo
QUESTION TIME!
This one should be a tough one for most of you.
What is your favorite live Like a Prayer performance of all-time?
Think, and think hard.
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Sticky & Sweet Tour
MDNA Tour
Re-Inventon World Tour
Rebel Heart Tour
Blond Ambition World Tour
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Originally posted by Nemo
QUESTION TIME!
This one should be a tough one for most of you.
What is your favorite live Like a Prayer performance of all-time?
Think, and think hard.
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The album version 
idk, probably MDNA because it's the only one I experienced live (and it's a highlight of that show)
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Originally posted by Nemo
QUESTION TIME!
This one should be a tough one for most of you.
What is your favorite live Like a Prayer performance of all-time?
Think, and think hard.
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Sticky & Sweet Tour! It's such an epic mix.
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Thanks for the description of the book izebize! It sounds like a damn mess, IDK if I have any interest in reading it. Someone needs to FORCE Madonna to start writing an autiobiography - it'd be such a kii! I'm still fuming she hasn't made a new doco, RH Tour would've been so flawless, hopefully she gets a few cute moments to say some stuff in the DVD without cutting great bits.
And of course, welcome to the base! New voices are always appreciated.
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Also - here is a 2007 LOOK from her H&M Campaign. She's serving.
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I've read Christopher's book and it only strengthened my appreciation for Madonna. The only person Chris exposed was himself. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Poor it. (But he does have some talent, even if he lacks his sister's drive, and I guess they're on better terms now.)
Even if every word is true, and that's a big if as it's all told from an incredibly biased point of view, I lost no illusions. I know Madonna can be a difficult, demanding, sassy, complicated, and ****ed up human being some of the time. Big wow. Who isn't all of these things and more every now and again? I don't think any of it should be held against her; I'd rather celebrate and find comfort in her supposed shortcomings. In the end, I only found myself even more enamoured of her. The sum of strength, beauty, discipline, tenacity, curiosity, hunger, humanity, humour, and heart = Madonna. The greatest star we've known.
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Originally posted by U4EA
I've read Christopher's book and it only strengthened my appreciation for Madonna. The only person Chris exposed was himself. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Poor it. (But he does have some talent, even if he lacks his sister's drive, and I guess they're on better terms now.)
Even if every word is true, and that's a big if as it's all told from an incredibly biased point of view, I lost no illusions. I know Madonna can be a difficult, demanding, sassy, complicated, and ****ed up human being some of the time. Big wow. Who isn't all of these things and more every now and again? I don't think any of it should be held against her; I'd rather celebrate and find comfort in her supposed shortcomings. In the end, I only found myself even more enamoured of her. The sum of strength, beauty, discipline, tenacity, curiosity, hunger, humanity, humour, and heart = Madonna. The greatest star we've known.
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The Diary of Anne Frank WHO? You're too good to be true. 
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The Diary of Anne Frank WHO? You're too good to be true. |
I won't allow your kind words to multiply my ego out of all proportion until I've succeeded in doing exactly that to yours. I love your posts!
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