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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 12/1/2010
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African-American, Latino and younger voters failed to show up at the polls in sufficient numbers Tuesday to propel Clinton into the White House.
A slightly larger share of black and Latino voters cast ballots for Trump than supported Mitt Romney in 2012, despite Trump's disparaging remarks on African-Americans, Mexicans and undocumented immigrants.
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Really disappointed with this
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by HandsOn
They're literally, LITERALLY, the only demographic that voted for Trump over Clinton and they're the reason why he's President-elect, so no. Maybe instead of being defensive you stop aligning yourself with the people we're talking about since you're not even American.
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How exactly do you recommend that she stops being white
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Member Since: 8/11/2007
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I still don't understand I hAven't seen By trump supporters except for one but be is Australian and was only supporting him to win a bet he didn't think he would win that bet and now his like waiting for all memes.. But like I said not even celebs are supporting him so I'm still a bit confused xD.. I really didn't think American was Gonna let him win..like even if he did they would mess with the votes just so he didn't win.
Im sorry America  if you guys had the same policy as Australia Hilary may of won.. But sadly it's just optional
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Member Since: 6/1/2011
Posts: 10,384
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Originally posted by Cupid
As a white male myself, I can unequivocally say that uneducated white's are ruining the world right now (first brexit, now this). People aren't saying it to be mean, it's the truth - the voter stats are there.
They've messed up twice, and the blame is on them. How could anyone support/elect a man comparable to Hitler? History is repeating itself.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Uneducated white voters supported Trump by the masses. That's a fact. I agree that blanket blaming whites is a little much but tensions are high rn.
Also, you're no even American so why the **** do you care? They're obviously not talking about you.
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It is NOT just uneducated whites. Polling data shows he won amongst ALL whites.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
i thought trump won the popular vote
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Hillary is in the lead by: 137,762
According to CNN
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
Posts: 40,057
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Originally posted by Artemisia
The lawsuit has been dropped.
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Yes because the woman was being intimidated, and would be way more now that he's President. But it wasn't debunked.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
i thought trump won the popular vote
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Hillary is currently leading it with 100k+ more votes. Not much, but it is something
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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As latinos become the new majority, they will increasingly start to support republicans. If you think it's a white exclusive characteristic to vote for conservativsm once you're in a more confortable position, you're dreaming.
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Member Since: 6/1/2011
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Originally posted by Downtown
this is lowkey scary |
It's fake. How do y'all still fall for this "The Simpsons predicted the future" mess? 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Cupid
As a white male myself, I can unequivocally say that uneducated white's are ruining the world right now (first brexit, now this). People aren't saying it to be mean, it's the truth - the voter stats are there.
They've messed up twice, and the blame is on them. How could anyone support/elect a man comparable to Hitler? History is repeating itself.
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Well it's crappy but that's how it works, as much as I dislike it there's nothing that can be done. Go join Norway or somewhere slayful like that, that's my plan.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by HandsOn
And???  Is having some semblance of common sense supposed to exonerate them for this? |
No. It's a known face the overwhelming majority of whites only care about themselves but face is they supported Trump less than they supported Romney.
We ****ed up. Accept responsibility.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by HandsOn
It is NOT just uneducated whites. Polling data shows he won amongst ALL whites.
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Not college educated white women though.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Airhead
About an hour ago my mother calls me crying. She is headed to work and still has an "I'm with her" bumper sticker in her car and this guy pulls up beside her at the red light and scream at her, " Go back to Africa ******" so she pulls off and he gets behind her flipping her off and honking his horn and screaming st her... My head is about to explode with anger. Why must people be like this????
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Wow...
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Member Since: 3/24/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I'm normally the first to go IN on whites but they're not at wrong here. They voted less for him than for Romney.
Clearly our base ****ed it up royally.
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That's actually not true. He OVERPEEFORMED Romney in a series of towns/counties in battleground states while, unfortunately, Hillary was underperforming Obama in a series of counties/towns that she needed.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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omg bernie was crying 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Really disappointed with this
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But let's blame white people...
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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i'm sorry. but one question.
what would happen when the republican has the senate, the house, and the president now?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I don't wanna say "I told you so", but...
Hillary has no one to blame but herself (and the DNC) for this. Honestly. This was such a botched campaign and I'm surprised people expected her to get away with it - and in a landslide at that.
First of all; it was her turn. After Obama defeated her in 2008, she was a shoe-in for 2016. It was going to be her year, her election, her presidency. Everyone knew it. That's why very few democrats decided to go up against her in the primary - she was DNC's darling and they were gonna get her to the white house no matter the cost.
Then Bernie showed up. He became a threat, started challenging her in multiple states, and ended up winning the northern swing states in the primary, despite the DNC actively working against him. This was considered a conspiracy theory by a lot of people (especially in this thread; there were about 4 or 5 active Bernie supporters against a hoard of #ImWithHer and as soon as we mentioned how the DNC handled things, people would just laugh or come up with a condescending retort) and... voila, Wikileaks proved that we were right - the DNC actively worked against Bernie and for Hillary.
The major thing about this is that a lot of you guys looked the other way or even seemed to justify this? "Well he's not a democrat, so...." was a popular opinion. Again, because it was Hillary's time, so it was totally fine that Bernie was cheated out of the primary. He wasn't going to have a chance in the general election despite polling better against the republican candidates than Hillary ("Head to head polls this far in advance don't matter!"), he only had white and young people voting for him, apparently a terrible demographic to have backing you up... Whatever the excuse was, the popular opinion was that Bernie would've had no chance anyway so the DNC rigging didn't matter.
This was the biggest problem to be honest. We had Bernie who wanted to start a Political revolution (and definitely did do so despite not winning the primary); he was anti-establishment and told the 99% that the power to change thing was in their hands if they grouped together. Meanwhile, Trump emerged as a hot favorite on the Republican side with an anti-establishment attitude.
The establishment became an election buzzword and... What did the DNC and Hillary do? They went ultra-establishment because #whatcangowrong, amirite? Working against Bernie, conspiring with the media, getting townhall/debate questions in advance (again - this was all revealed thanks to Wikileaks; so much for conspiracy theories). Then DWS caught too much heat and was forced to resign - and Hillary hired her. This was a terrible, terrible idea (and from my recollection, a lot of you seemed to think the same thing - it was that bad).
Then the Hillary supporters where whining about Bernie staying in the race because he was raining on Hillary's parade and "making her look bad by staying in the race". Again, it was her turn - that was the rhetoric. This put a lot of people off, the opinion that Hillary had deserved this through all her work in politics and how dare anyone stand in her way, yada yada.
Anyway, she finally won the candidacy. Bernsters went #BernieOrBust and Hillary supporters laughed at them because their votes weren't needed. Mind you, these were millions of people who felt that their candidate had been cheated by the DNC. These were people who caught onto the anti-establishment rhetoric and went with it. Then Hillary staffers more or less said they didn't need the Bernsters' support for whatever reason (lemme guess - it was her turn and she had everyone else on her side, who cares about a couple of million millenials?). So not only did the supporters feel cheated, but they felt looked down on too. This was a major, major, maaaaajor mistake.
Now, you can argue that politics should be about qualifications (admittedly Hillary is miles above anyone else in this regard, you can't argue with facts) but people aren't robots. We feel things and sometimes our emotions get the best of us. It might've been petty and immature and the "basement dwellers" were acting like 3 year old cry babys but the matter of the fact is that this alienated them even further from DNC. Some decided to support Trump instead to send a message to the establishment; others voted 3rd party, and some supported Clinton. But as you could see last night, in a lot of the states that Trump won by a small margin, the third party votes would've been enough to put Hillary over the edge - if even 30% of those votes had gone to her, and Bernsters hadn't stayed at home, she could've won these states. Quelle surprise, it turns out the establishment darling did need the Bernsters' votes.
And Trump.... Had he not painted himself as anti-establishment, I think Hillary would've won. Maybe. If he'd been a normal politican who'd said all those things (build a war, grab them by the *****, etc) he would've lost bigly, let's be real here. But he was anti-establishment, Hillary proved herself to the ultra-establishment over the course of the months leading up to the election. He had a LOT of enthusiastic voters and very successful rallies while Hillary lacked that in comparison - which is why I found it so funny when some of you dragged the very last rallies they had where Trumps' venue was 50% full and Hillary's was crowded with people, as if that was a good depiction of how their rallies had looked all throughout the election season (when his was at midnight or some **** and hers was a concert featuring the most popular artists in the world).
The polled worse against her and all the pollsters had him down. Pretty much any poll that had him up was scoffed at as an outlier. The thing about polls is that they, generally, only work when they're run under the same conditions. Trump was different and the polls failed to catch that. Some people argued that there was a 5% swing in favor of Trump brewing beneath the surface - silent voters who the pollsters had failed to pick up. And indeed, he ended up outperforming most of the pre-election polls by around 5%.
Media and Hillary supporters got too cocky. This works both ways - on the one hand, people will get out to vote for who they think is the winner because they want to be on the winning side of things, but on the other... It made her look inevitable. This caused the underdogs (Trump and his supporters) to work even harder while it made Hillary's supporters complacent.
Then there's the fact that Hillary comes with a lot of baggage. She's superexperienced and qualified, yes, but a lot of people hate the Clinton name by default. Again, I think she could've pulled it off if no one had brought up just how establishment the Clinton name really is.
Is some of it to blame on misogyny? Absolutely. Yes, most definitely. There was a show on TV here on Monday where the hosts went to a Trump stronghold in Virginia and met people there - one of the people they interviewed said he was voting Trump because a woman shouldn't rule the country. So yes, that was definitely a part of it. And yes, part of it stems from racism as well, I'm not denying that. But Hillary was the inevitable winner so huge crowds of people were left uninspired.
People literally flocked out to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Millenials' interest in politics was given a boost with the help of Bernie. They had the passionate supporters who got out to vote, just like Trump did, while Hillary didn't manage to garner the same interest. That's what really cost her the election. (Weren't minority and youth numbers down compared to Obama in 2008/2012 and Bernie in the primary?)
The election was practically handed to her by the DNC after 2008 and when their bias was brought to light, it made people angry, it made the underdogs vote even harder, but most of all it left people thinking that she had this in the bag. So they didn't go out and vote. Simple as that.
Every American citizen over the age of 18 is given a right to vote and it frightens me to see how some people are calling for "hillbillies to get their voting rights revoked" when the answer to Trump's victory is so much simpler than that - Hillary's supporters (and anti-Trumpers) didn't exercise their right to vote to the same extent as Trump's, for a variety of reasons. That's it, really.
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Member Since: 11/30/2011
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Why can't all whites be like those in Vermont? 
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Member Since: 5/7/2011
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Omg you guys, I had such a horrible dream last night. Trump effortlessly snatched Florida and North Carolina, then Pennsyvania, Michigan and Wisconsin started to trend Red. What's the real results??
Seriously though, I had such an awful 3 hour sleep last night . Dreamt I was Clinton and I was negotiating with states to get them to vote for me. Ohio took pity and gave me 6 of their EC votes. 
It's time to campaign properly for the NPVIC. This needs to be put into force if they're not going to scrap the trash Electoral College.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nati...rstate_Compact
Nialler must be livid that he got himself banned a few days ago.
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