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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Ian Sams @IanSams 7m7 minutes ago
NEW --> @billclinton to campaign on Eastern Ohio bus tour next week, making case for HRC's economic plans. And maybe waving out a window.
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Originally posted by geo
New PPP polls...
FL, NC: Clinton +2
CO, PA, VA: Clinton +6
(two way)
CO: Clinton +7
FL: Clinton +3
NC: Clinton +4
PA: Clinton +5
VA: Clinton +6
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Originally posted by Icarus
Sometimes I like to remind myself that she only needs PA, VA and CO to win
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Yall still feeding midnightdawn's trolling 
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Click the link below for a thorough must-listen on the Trump Foundation...
Journalist Says Trump Foundation May Have Engaged In 'Self-Dealing'
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GROSS: So you are - since you don't have access to his tax returns, you're examining the Trump Foundation. Why is the Trump Foundation a useful resource to analyze Trump's finances and his level of honesty?
FAHRENTHOLD: Well, the Trump Foundation's tax returns are public. That's one thing. So we can look through them in a way that we can't look through his personal tax returns. They're publicly available going back to the beginning of the foundation, which is 1987. And so you can look in there and you see both the money that's come in and the money that it's - that's been given out. And so what we've done is called a lot of the folks that were listed as recipients of the Trump Foundation's donations to find out, you know, why did he give? What was his connection with these charities? And there's a couple of things that are really interesting.
One of them is that there's no sort of abiding cause. And a lot of the times you see a wealthy person will help one group year after year, one cause - cancer research, for instance, autism research, a particular college or university. There's nothing like that in Trump's foundation. Instead, the main theme in the gifts seems to be that they help Trump's personal life or his business life.
Trump owns a lot of facilities, including the Mar-a-Lago Club down in Florida, that do a lot of business with charities that can cost up to $270,000 to rent out - for a charity to rent out Mar-a-Lago for one night. And so you see a lot of cases in which Trump gives - donates money to other people who then just give it back to him by renting out Mar-a-Lago for a lot of money.
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FAHRENTHOLD: This is actually an amazing story. So it's amazing on both ends. So we knew already a couple of weeks ago that Trump had bought a $20,000, 6-foot-tall portrait of himself in 2007. And we've written about that a couple of times. And so - and I've been tweeting about that. One day at my desk, I get a phone call. It's from Palm Beach, the 561 area code. It's a woman on the other end. I've never talked to her before. And she says Google Havi art Trump, H-A-V-I art Trump. There's another paint - portrait. That's it. That's the whole tip. And miraculously - sometimes these tips are not as simple as they seem when they first come in. But no, I Googled Havi art Trump. Bang, another portrait that Trump bought of himself with charity money. In this case, in 2014, he bought a charity - at a charity auction, he purchased this $10,000 portrait of himself.
Now, that's fine. If he just paid with his own money, he could have that portrait. He could do whatever he wants to with it. But he paid - later on, he actually paid for the painting with the Trump Foundation's money. So again, the charity owns it. That portrait must be used for some charitable purpose. So the question was, where is this $10,000 portrait? And I had been tweeting about it. And that night, the night we published the story, a reader found - on Twitter contacts me to say that she's been looking at the TripAdvisor site for Doral. Trump has a big golf course, the Doral Golf Resort outside of Miami. And on TripAdvisor, you know, you can put - post pictures of - the inside of your bathroom, the inside of the hotel lobby. There were 385 pictures on the Doral site on TripAdvisor. She went through all of them and found a picture of this missing Trump portrait, a $10,000 portrait he bought with charity money.
Wow, I tweet that out. This is, like, about 8:00 o'clock at night that night. Look, I think we've found it. This picture on - from TripAdvisor was taken in February, hanging on the wall of Trump's golf resort. I wonder if it's still there.
Well, a guy named Enrique Acevedo, who's a anchor for Univision, the Spanish-language TV network, is right down the street from Doral in Miami. He sees this, makes a reservation at the Trump Doral golf resort because you can't get it in unless you're a guest. After his newscast ends at midnight that night, goes over there, checks into his room and then starts wandering the grounds, talking to the Trump's maintenance workers or housekeeping crew in Spanish, saying where's picture? Where's this picture? Bingo, he finds it hanging on the wall of the Champions Bar and Grill inside Trump Doral. So that when you go in the Champions Bar and Grill, the first thing you see is this picture of Trump.
Unless it serves as a soup kitchen and it's off hours, that is not something you can do with a thing you bought with charity money.
GROSS: (Laughing) So these portraits actually violated - correct me if I'm wrong here - two tax regulations. First, in the method that he purchased it, using foundation money instead of his own. And second, in where he put it, putting it on his - one of his own profit-making company's businesses, a hotel, as opposed to, you know, donating it to the greater good.
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Originally posted by ariesjow
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How are people supporting this criminal?
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The audacity of Trump and his campaign trying to label Hillary and the Foundation as corrupt...this guy is as corrupt as it gets. To think this is way down the list of shady dealings that this guy has engaged in. They need to force his ass to release his taxes!
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Originally posted by Icarus
How are people supporting this criminal?
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A disconcerting amount of ignorance and cognitive dissonance. You'd be surprised at how many people ignore stories like the one I posted or convince themselves that they're elaborate lies despite the preponderance of evidence. The same people will latch onto the most ridiculous conspiracy theories about Clinton. 
I genuinely think a lot of the more well-reasoned Republicans know in their hearts that Trump is a sham candidate, but they're ignoring how dangerous he is because they cannot fathom being out of the Oval Office another 4-8 years.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
The audacity of Trump and his campaign trying to label Hillary and the Foundation as corrupt...this guy is as corrupt as it gets. To think this is way down the list of shady dealings that this guy has engaged in. They need to force his ass to release his taxes!
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GROSS: So to sum up, what do you think the results of your investigation so far tell us about Donald Trump?
FAHRENTHOLD: Well, Donald Trump set up a charity that he ran in an extremely unusual way, both in that it didn't - it sort of seemed to give away his own money when it was not his own money and that it used its money in ways that benefited himself and his businesses in ways that were really unusual.
And I've talked to a lot of people who are tax law - I've talked to a lot of people who are tax law experts, who are ex-IRS officials who say that, you know, they have never seen a case of a foundation that seemed to violate the law this brazenly in this way. I have a number of quotes who say, you know, I worked at the IRS for 10 years. In private practice, I have 700 clients every year, and they always say, I've never seen anything this bad, any foundation that has this level of problems.
So there's something in there about the way Trump viewed this charity, both that it didn't seem worthy of learning the rules or following the rules, and also that he seemed to see it, in some cases, as kind of an extension of his business empire. It took money in from his business empire. It gave money out to help buy things for him or buy things for his business empire that, really, he doesn't seem to have understood that, at least legally, a charity is supposed to be something separate, independent, with its own goals, its own philanthropic aims. A charity is not set up to benefit you. It's - in fact, it's the opposite. It's a way for you to benefit the public and use your money to benefit the public. He doesn't seem to have seen it that way.
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Originally posted by ariesjow
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#TrumpForPrison
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
Wow that Miss Universe woman Hillary brought up in the debate has a lot of baggage, not a smart idea bringing her into it. Major backlash.
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That's what I thought too, but then I remembered no one is willing to do any research this election so no one will care
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
Wow that Miss Universe woman Hillary brought up in the debate has a lot of baggage, not a smart idea bringing her into it. Major backlash.
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That doesn't suddenly mean it's okay for Donald Trump to call her "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping."
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
Wow that Miss Universe woman Hillary brought up in the debate has a lot of baggage, not a smart idea bringing her into it. Major backlash.
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The amount of baggage Hillary has herself far outweighs the Miss Universe baggage so it makes hers irrelevant. That, and added to the fact Hillary is exploiting Trump's weakness with women (especially suburban, rural women who usually vote Republican) it's smart to have her as a surrogate because it gets under Donald's skin and he lashes to attack her which will further plunge his women numbers to a nearly unwinnable level.
It's the second smartest thing she's done all political season actually (the smartest being when she goes on the trail with Bernie and expresses just how progressive her platform is to excite her base)
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
The audacity of Trump and his campaign trying to label Hillary and the Foundation as corrupt...this guy is as corrupt as it gets. To think this is way down the list of shady dealings that this guy has engaged in. They need to force his ass to release his taxes!
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One thing that this is good for is the next debate. Trump and his advisors say they will bring up the Clinton Foundation. But Trump is embroiled in his own stuff (which is actually worse) so this will put him in a bind. Good
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scared for the third debate which will be hosted by fox news
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Kellyanne Conway is on The View today. Ready for the mess.
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Originally posted by avi
scared for the third debate which will be hosted by fox news
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I wouldn't worry too much about it.
If they are overly biased against Hillary, most of the media which leans liberal will read them for it. They'll lose a ton of credibility. Most of the people who watch Fox News already have made up their choice of candidate, so post debate coverage on the channel won't affect anything either. Plus, almost all of Hillary's baggage is already known, she doesn't have these hidden things like Bernie did with the Castro tape or Trump has with Machado to expose her on. It will be just a rehash of Benghazi and the email scandal which thankfully most of the American public are tired hearing about at this point.
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Hillary's increasing in all methods on 538
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The main reason I'm voting for Jill is because Trump represents old ideals that we are moving away from and Hillary only has empty promises and tells people what they want to hear. None resonate me so I am voting for the first female president. True progressives vote for Jill or any other third party candidate but they/we can do what they/we want. Oh and you guys say Hillary is a progressive?  don't get me started all tea no shade
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Originally posted by Hey Gurl Hey
The main reason I'm voting for Jill is because Trump represents old ideals that we are moving away from and Hillary only has empty promises and tells people what they want to hear. None resonate me so I am voting for the first female president. True progressives vote for Jill or any other third party candidate but they/we can do what they/we want. Oh and you guys say Hillary is a progressive? don't get me started all tea no shade |
I don't know why this is so funny to you. You're the one voting for someone who is in very last place in the polls. VERY LAST.
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Yall still feeding midnightdawn's trolling |
Let It STARVE!
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