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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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There are a lot of parallels with Brexit and Trump.
Both campaigns are/were viewed as "anti-establishment."
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Originally posted by Jacketh
There are a lot of parallels with Brexit and Trump.
Both campaigns are/were viewed as "anti-establishment."
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True that the message is the same. But I don't think it's accurate to claim that Trump winning will be such a huge shock like some claim Brexit was. I think Democrats are and have been terrified which is why I think we'll turn out in big numbers.
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So many traditionally left-wing people voted for Brexit, which is something people forget. Other than the alt-right (anti-immigration, anti-establishment) influence there isn't that many parallels.
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There are a lot of parallels with Brexit.
Both campaigns are/were viewed as anti-establishment.
Both campaigns were-are viewing as going against globalisation and the current model of economics.
Both campaign attracted nationalism. "Taking back our country" v "Make America Great Again".
Both campaigns were underdogs in the beginning.
Both campaigns went up against very "establishment" candidates.
Both campaigns had no problem saying stuff that apparently rebelled against "political correctness"
Linked to the above I guess, both campaigns really really attracted older people, and particular white older males.
Both campaigns, largely, found their support either rurally or cities that haven't been on the up for a while now.
Both campaigns I imagine will have a lot of "quiet" voters. People who do not necessarily like Trump, but see him as representing change or simply someone that will kick the establishment up the ass. When you're struggling, it's easy to feel like that.. All the deprived areas in the UK voted overwhelmingly for Brexit - simply because when you're at the bottom, its hard to stick with something that represents the status quo.
True, it's not Brexit. But the parallels are there even if Trump doesn't win. He's an underdog who was laughed at, and tapped into exactly the same anger and demographic Farage did.
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Reporters Destroy Video Of Trump’s Hotel Tour After He Reneged On Promised Post-Birther Press Conference
The television reporters following Donald Trump on Friday erased video of a hotel tour to protest being denied editorial access to the Republican nominee. The protest came moments after Trump gave a very short speech announcing that he believes President Obama was born in the U.S., a reversal from years of questioning Obama’s citizenship. After his remarks, Trump left the room, refusing to take any questions from the reporters. News anchors complained about the press conference, arguing Trump tricked the media into giving him free airtime.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...ump-hotel-tour
When will all the mess end?  Please just let more states vote already, 2 more months is way too long a wait 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Orpheus
The number is indeed arbitrary, but it is already set. I find it a tad annoying when people try to argue the rules when the game is already in play, change them beforehand. There has to be some sort of a threshold in place in my opinion.
We've seen even in the primaries when there was such a large field on the GOP side, there were essentially two debates based on level of support.
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Except there are no "rules". The CPD is an independent organization created 1988. They set these limits and then the invite the candidates to debate. If no one shows up they have no power.
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Member Since: 11/30/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jacketh
There are a lot of parallels with Brexit.
Both campaigns are/were viewed as anti-establishment.
Both campaigns were-are viewing as going against globalisation and the current model of economics.
Both campaign attracted nationalism.
Both campaigns were underdogs in the beginning.
Both campaigns went up against very "establishment" candidates.
Both campaigns had no problem saying stuff that apparently rebelled against "political correctness"
Linked to the above I guess, both campaigns really really attracted older people, and particular white older males.
Both campaigns, largely, found their support either rurally or cities that haven't been on the up for a while now.
Both campaigns I imagine will have a lot of "quiet" voters. People who do not necessarily like Trump, but see him as representing change or simply someone that will kick the establishment up the ass. When you're struggling, it's easy to feel like that.. All the deprived areas in the UK voted overwhelmingly for Brexit - simply because when you're at the bottom, its hard to stick with something that represents the status quo.
True, it's not Brexit. But the parallels are there even if Trump doesn't win. He's an underdog who was laughed at, and tapped into exactly the same anger and demographic Farage did.
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The concern over unrestricted immigration that in many communities drove the Brexit vote is not the same as the outright xenophobia being spurted by the Trump campaign. I mean, anybody who even suggested deportations here would have been disowned immediately. According to polling, Trump has something like a -50 net approval rating among Leave voters. So to say that the anger is exactly the same is stretching the truth a bit.
There is, after all, a difference between UKIP and the Leave campaign. But there is a reason why UKIP and Farage were ostracised by Vote Leave. If the referendum was perceived to be a straight vote on UKIP's vision for the country, it would have lost by a landslide just like they lost the general election.
If Trump actually wins, it would be the equivalent of UKIP winning a general election.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Except there are no "rules". The CPD is an independent organization created 1988. They set these limits and then the invite the candidates to debate. If no one shows up they have no power.
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It's the CPD's rules. So if they want their own debates, I'm sure they can try to set something up like the Commander-in-Chief Forum (which also didn't let them in)
A lot of people don't want the flies there. 
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The issue with Brexit was the lack of knowledge. We'll see very soon if most Americans are the same.
It doesn't seem like it. It just seems like the country really hates the two candidates.
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
looks like Trump is snatching the election from Hillary. He continues to get closer and closer to overtaking her in the polls.
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Originally posted by Yndda
tbh I think acting like hillary WILL win will probably backfire on us. I mean, we kind of have brexit as an example; everyone thought the UK would stay in but voici.  |
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I hope people stop comparing Brexit to us. We're simply looking at state polls and voting history.
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I think people are getting way too complacent (to the point of being at best cocky --and at worst very lazy in their critical thinking) regarding this election.
We do NOT have this in the bag. The polls show it. In fact we are on dangerous ground. Every day I hear more and more from people who are either disillusioned or ambivalent about Hillary. Trump's supporters on the other hand are more vocal, more proactive, and more determined to take this election.
The real problem will be when all those who are indifferent or just sickened by this media circus choose to not vote at all in November.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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1. American electorate =/= British electorate (the American electorate is more diverse)
2. Voting for an issue =/= voting for a candidate
3. American polling > British polling
^ My response to Brexit comparisons
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Trump really ******* on the media today. Good for him. They deserve to feel stupid.
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Originally posted by Latinazza
I think people are getting way too complacent (to the point of being at best cocky --and at worst very lazy in their critical thinking) regarding this election.
We do NOT have this in the bag. The polls show it. In fact we are on dangerous ground. Every day I hear more and more from people who are either disillusioned or ambivalent about Hillary. Trump's supporters on the other hand are more vocal, more proactive, and more determined to take this election.
The real problem will be when all those who are indifferent or just sickened by this media circus choose to not vote at all in November.
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yep
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Latinazza
I think people are getting way too complacent (to the point of being at best cocky --and at worst very lazy in their critical thinking) regarding this election.
We do NOT have this in the bag. The polls show it. In fact we are on dangerous ground. Every day I hear more and more from people who are either disillusioned or ambivalent about Hillary. Trump's supporters on the other hand are more vocal, more proactive, and more determined to take this election.
The real problem will be when all those who are indifferent or just sickened by this media circus choose to not vote at all in November.
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Hmm we've heard it all before. They said the same about Romney vs Obama. Electoral college doesn't lie. Polls may. I AGREE that the race is close, but it's insulting to suggest that Hillary, her team, her voters, and her surrogates aren't working hard.
Let's not forget how close the polls were between Hillary and Bernie. I'm confident in her GOTV efforts.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Latinazza
I think people are getting way too complacent (to the point of being at best cocky --and at worst very lazy in their critical thinking) regarding this election.
We do NOT have this in the bag. The polls show it. In fact we are on dangerous ground. Every day I hear more and more from people who are either disillusioned or ambivalent about Hillary. Trump's supporters on the other hand are more vocal, more proactive, and more determined to take this election.
The real problem will be when all those who are indifferent or just sickened by this media circus choose to not vote at all in November.
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Well you can thank the press for painting Hillary as the inevitable candidate from the get go.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by geo
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I'm pretty sure he's implying that by banning guns, her bodyguards wouldn't have the means to protect her against an active shooter. It's this sort of emphasis on misconstructions that's stalling her and it's too late in the game for it.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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It's interesting to see Trump avoid media questions for once. He knows the question, "Why did you suddenly change your mind about Obama's birthplace?" is coming and he doesn't know how to answer it.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by geo
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Wow
He always finds a way to mess up
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by NE.
I'm pretty sure he's implying that by banning guns, her bodyguards wouldn't have the means to protect her against an active shooter. It's this sort of emphasis on misconstructions that's stalling her and it's too late in the game for it.
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He lied to his supporters knowing she doesn't want to abolish the 2nd amendment. And yes he insinuated AGAIN that someone should shoot Hillary. He should've never put that into someone's head. It's dangerous, and if you can't see that, then WOW.
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