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Poll: Rhythm Nation vs. Like A Prayer: Madonna vs. Janet (1989)
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Janet Jacksons Rhythm Nation 1814
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Madonnas Like A Prayer
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RN pretty much obliterates LAP
Rhythm Nation vs. Like a Prayer
State of the World vs. Express Yourself
The Knowledge vs. Love Song
Miss You Much vs. Till Death Do Us Part
Love Will Never Do (Without You) vs. Promise to Try
Livin' in a World (They Didn't Make) vs. Cherish
Alright vs. Dear Jessie [This one's HARD]
Lonely vs. Oh Father
Come Back to Me vs. Keep It Together
Someday Is Tonight vs. Pray for Spanish Wigs
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This is really hard. I like the title track of LAP more than anything on RN but as a whole I guess I'll go with RN. It works better as a whole album imo.
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle
Every week this thread. What kinda desperation?. You can just bump one of those threads.
Like a Prayer was and still is the most acclaimed and the most impactful. Get over it. None of the albums the other woman comes close.
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Please link me to these alleged weekly threads that are created pitting these 2 albums against one another, because in creating the thread nothing came up so.
And I swear, if you link me to a thread thats more than 5 months old...
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Originally posted by C.Damen
RN has NOT outsold Like a Prayer, Madonna's first two singles were bigger on a global level, and not to mention Like a Prayer was more impactful than anything on RN. |
You're right, they're about the same, for some reason I remembered LAP only selling like 11m.  Regardless, you get my point, and I don't agree with what you're saying. "LAP" the song was HUGE, duh, and "RN" may have not been as big at the time, but you can still see its influence on music videos and performances today. I don't see that so much with anything from the LAP era except Xtina directly referencing the Express Yourself video. (And Rhythm Nation has earned its fair share of references and imitators as well.) This is a pointless discussion anyway and I can agree to disagree. It just annoys me when someone like Travis comes in and tries to completely minimize such a landmark album and era.
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Rhythm Nation offers a bit more quality
And yes, it was more successful
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
You're right, they're about the same, for some reason I remembered LAP only selling like 11m. Regardless, you get my point, and I don't agree with what you're saying. "LAP" the song was HUGE, duh, and "RN" may have not been as big at the time, but you can still see its influence on music videos and performances today. I don't see that so much with anything from the LAP era except Xtina directly referencing the Express Yourself video. (And that sort of direct referencing has certainly been done with Rhythm Nation as well.) This is a pointless discussion anyway and I can agree to disagree. |
RN had like 7 top 10 singles in a row did it not?
Madonna hogged the spotlight for sure with her nerve baiting, but Janet was most certainly enormous in her own right. And RNs influence lives on today in a variety of ways, most notably with its social message carried out through the likes of Beyonce with Formation and Lady Gagas Born This Way.
Travis is a delusional Madonna stan that is pathetically not even a troll. Can't pay him too much mind.
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why is everyone leaving out black cat.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
RN had like 7 top 10 singles in a row did it not?
Madonna hogged the spotlight for sure with her nerve baiting, but Janet was most certainly enormous in her own right. And RNs influence lives on today in a variety of ways, most notably with its social message carried out through the likes of Beyonce with Formation and Lady Gagas Born This Way.
Travis is a delusional Madonna stan that is pathetically not even a troll. Can't pay him too much mind.
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7 top fives! And the biggest debut tour of all time! (Oh how the mighty have fallen.)
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
You're right, they're about the same, for some reason I remembered LAP only selling like 11m. Regardless, you get my point, and I don't agree with what you're saying. "LAP" the song was HUGE, duh, and "RN" may have not been as big at the time, but you can still see its influence on music videos and performances today. I don't see that so much with anything from the LAP era except Xtina directly referencing the Express Yourself video. (And Rhythm Nation has earned its fair share of references and imitators as well.) This is a pointless discussion anyway and I can agree to disagree. It just annoys me when someone like Travis comes in and tries to completely minimize such a landmark album and era. |
Gaga's Alejandro video?
The Spice Girls "Girl Power" is inspired from Express Yourself + Madonna's suit was an inspiration for a section on the Spice World Tour.
I don't really see anything from RN nowadays though.
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Originally posted by C.Damen
Gaga's Alejandro video?
The Spice Girls "Girl Power" is inspired from Express Yourself + Madonna's suit was an inspiration for a section on the Spice World Tour.
I don't really see anything from RN nowadays though. |
Uh....Beyonce? Britney? Both heavily inspired by Janet and RN. There have been albums out recently that draw parallels to Rhythm Nations pop message for social change including again, Beyonce and Lady Gaga. Formation and Lemonade can directly be linked to Rhythm Nation.
And Gagas Alejandro samples Ace of Base and its only Madonna influence being La Isla Bonita in the sense that both songs integrate spanish and a slight island beat. The Alejandro videos use of religious imagery was unrelated to Madonnas use of religious imagery in Like A Prayer. Alejandro was about stonewall.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
And Gagas Alejandro samples Ace of Base and its only Madonna influence being La Isla Bonita in the sense that both songs integrate spanish and a slight island beat. The Alejandro videos use of religious imagery was unrelated to Madonnas use of religious imagery in Like A Prayer. Alejandro was about stonewall.
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youve got to be kidding me.  the rewriting of history people are trying lately is too much. ive seen it for years now. madonna could make ten different albums the level of ray of light or like a prayer and people would still debunk it. you're gonna tell me now that the alejandro video isn't inspired by madonna's work? you're gonna tell me that BTW doesnt sound like EY (even though she and her people both admitted to it), you're gonna tell me her camp didnt announce her as a second madonna when she first started and tried to advertise that message to the world? youre telling me gaga's tours arent inspired by madonnas, but rather by janet? (and dont try to give me ONE video that may have a similar moment to janet, when you know overall it's madonna who inspired her live act.) youre gonna tell me she didnt put madonna's name on "the fame"? and still today gets compared to madonna? youre gonna tell me judas wasnt about trying to annoy the pope and catholic church? 
a lot of people are inspired by MJ. janet is the one who was inspired by him too. they both did a lot of the same things
i sometimes wonder if half of you have even seen or listened to the videos and music of the albums this poll is about. i wonder what people will do next to deny madonna's legacy. it's really getting a little insane lately. this woman is the most disrespected, underrated, and uncredited female artist by ignorant youth of today.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Uh....Beyonce? Britney? Both heavily inspired by Janet and RN. There have been albums out recently that draw parallels to Rhythm Nations pop message for social change including again, Beyonce and Lady Gaga. Formation and Lemonade can directly be linked to Rhythm Nation.
And Gagas Alejandro samples Ace of Base and its only Madonna influence being La Isla Bonita in the sense that both songs integrate spanish and a slight island beat. The Alejandro videos use of religious imagery was unrelated to Madonnas use of religious imagery in Like A Prayer. Alejandro was about stonewall.
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I do not see any comparisons between Lemonade and Rhythm Nation at all. Nor can there be a direct link to it because both albums are about different topics.
As a matter of fact, the fact that you even compared Lemonade to Rhythm Nation is really offensive and I am not even kidding 
If Alejandro's imagery is unrelated to Like a Prayer's imagery, then any "influences" Rhythm Nation has on Alejandro is null and void.
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Originally posted by C.Damen
Gaga's Alejandro video?
The Spice Girls "Girl Power" is inspired from Express Yourself + Madonna's suit was an inspiration for a section on the Spice World Tour.
I don't really see anything from RN nowadays though. |
Formation at the super bowl + Ring the Alarm BET awards 06, Chris Brown's I Can Transform Ya video, Cheryl's Fight for This Love, the RN choreo being used in Tron: Legacy, Come Back to Me getting sampled in a 2008(?) hit song, Britney aping the chair routine from Miss You Much and citing Black Cat as an influence on her music, Alright feat. Heavy D being an early precedent for pop-rap collabs, pretty much any Gwen or Fergie song that spells out words being descended from Miss You Much.
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Originally posted by Humoresque
and escapade.
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Aka the best song off the album ..
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Originally posted by wanderlust
youve got to be kidding me. the rewriting of history people are trying lately is too much. i sometimes wonder if half of you have even seen or listened to the videos and music of the albums this poll is about. |
As if anything you spew from your keyboard to the readers of ATRL has any semblance of sanity let alone objectivity.
Rhythm Nations influence on popular culture and Janet Jacksons influence on not only black women but women in music in general is an inarguable fact. You can choose to blind yourself from the sting of Madonnas c*um in your eyes if you so choose, im no one to judge others kinks, but that doesn't negate the amount of influence Janet has had on the industry.
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Originally posted by C.Damen
I do not see any comparisons between Lemonade and Rhythm Nation at all. Nor can there be a direct link to it because both albums are about different topics.
As a matter of fact, the fact that you even compared Lemonade to Rhythm Nation is really offensive and I am not even kidding
If Alejandro's imagery is unrelated to Like a Prayer's imagery, then any "influences" Rhythm Nation has on Alejandro is null and void. |
They're not about different topics entirely. Sure, Lemonade is an album about her relationship with Jay-Z. But part of Lemonade's narrative is social change and thats part of Beyonce narrative in general. As was Lady Gagas Born This Way album. The themes in Born This Ways video werent so different from Rhythm Nation. Creating a new race free from prejudice? Do your homework man.
And I never even said Rhythm Nation influenced Alejandro..... you chose to bring up Lady Gaga. And while on the topic, like I stated, Rhythm Nation can be seen as an influence on the social themes and aspirations of Born This Way as well as the social issues brought up within Alejandros music video (although I really wouldnt have brought it up had you not yourself).
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All the major female artists in the industry are Madonna's offsprings.
Janet's impact is undeniable as well, but as you can see, she seems to influence the lesser knowns of the bunch. (Aaliyah, Ciara, Tinashe)
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Formation at the super bowl + Ring the Alarm BET awards 06, Chris Brown's I Can Transform Ya video, Cheryl's Fight for This Love, the RN choreo being used in Tron: Legacy, Come Back to Me getting sampled in a 2008(?) hit song, Britney aping the chair routine from Miss You Much and citing Black Cat as an influence on her music, Alright feat. Heavy D being an early precedent for pop-rap collabs, pretty much any Gwen or Fergie song that spells out words being descended from Miss You Much.
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Formation on Super Bowl has NOTHING to do with Rhythm Nation whatsoever. Any comparisons you can make can be made toward Michael Jackson since her outfit is obviously an homage to Michael NOT Janet.
I see NO similarities at all between Rhythm Nation and I Can Transform Ya.
Gwen and Fergie's spelling out words in songs have NOTHING to do with Miss You Much.
Where are you getting this from? Are you just making delusional assumptions?
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Originally posted by C.Damen
Gaga's Alejandro video?
The Spice Girls "Girl Power" is inspired from Express Yourself + Madonna's suit was an inspiration for a section on the Spice World Tour.
I don't really see anything from RN nowadays though. |
Literally one of the worst posts i've seen on Atrl so far, and that's saying a lot.
Have you not paid attention to literally any black female artist and their work since the 1990s?
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