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Poll: Are you for or against the Burqa?
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View Poll Results: Burqa or Bur-no?
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Don't ban it.
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I don't know.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
You legit have no idea how women in Pakistan are treated lol. I'm Pakistani and was raised by a woman who's dealt with all of that.
These middle eastern countries aren't barbaric. Pakistan has women showing their stomachs, ankles, knees on TV and all that. They're going through their own revolution, let them deal with their own issues and stop fake worrying about us.
You pretend like you care about how these women are treated but when it comes to accepting them into your country, Hell no. GTFO here with that mess.
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oh my gawd, an ankle?? woo lord! the progress 
is that why a brother killed his own sister for posting pics on Instagram for "disrespecting" his family. How un-barbaric indeed
I never said how I wouldn't let women or children in. Islam is however an idelogy that is practicated far more extreme in some muslim-majority countries and Europe who has progressed from that mentality shouldn't accept that idelogy people bring in unless they are progressive and accept a part of a culture they are entering.
PS. @Communion muslim women are not brown women only and YOU ARE RACIST for claiming and steretryping them as such.
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Originally posted by FBF
All "the others" are asking for is to see the face. All people should be recognisable at all time.
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I think we should ban masks then, right? Even for Halloween. It's a security threat. We can't see them.
My point with all this is, if you ban the burqa, the woman will end up wearing baggier clothes, a headscarf & face mask covering their mouth. You'll see just as much as you saw before.
Except one is socially acceptable and the other isn't. Y'all really thinking banning it is gonna start some revolution but it won't lol.
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Originally posted by Bangerzzz
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What does that have to do with anything? Tons of Asians in NY wear huge surgical masks that cover most of the face and no one says a thing about that.
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Im against it, but not for the racist things some people are saying here. Not everyone that wears one is a terrorist .. assholes lol .... I believe that people should express themselves, but for me, in MY OPINION, its a threat. It has nothing to do with the muslim religion, a burqa hides the person identity, if Christians, Catholics, Jews, WHOEVER felt the need to wear one, I would be against it too. You shouldn't be able to wear in your passport photo, you shouldn't be able to wear it in your drivers license. I'm not allowed to wear a mask etc, during those photos (not that I would cause that would be ****ing stupid) so why should other people be allowed to hide their identities ? For religious purpose ? Nope. Sorry.
Also its intent is to silence and hide women, and I am VERY against that, women and everyone should be seen and heard, no matter what religion or where you're from.
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it's so weird to see how western society has to even try to comply with cultures as extreme as this because I doubt your culture will be tolerated in their culture.
this is just my two cent in this matter. when you're in a foreign land, you live by their set of rules. that doesn't mean you can't bring your own culture. just not those that can be opposing to their way of life. I don't think hijab is frowned upon right? I think what most Ppl have issue with burqa is how the face is all covered and that is a big no no in almost all western society.
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Originally posted by FBF
No. They have a different culture that westerners are aware of and abide by when they go to these places.
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I did not said it's ok 
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
oh my gawd, an ankle?? woo lord! the progress
is that why a brother killed his own sister for posting pics on Instagram for "disrespecting" his family. How un-barbaric indeed
I never said how I wouldn't let women or children in. Islam is however an idelogy that is practicated far more extreme in some muslim-majority countries and Europe who has progressed from that mentality shouldn't accept that idelogy people bring in unless they are progressive and accept a part of a culture they are entering.
PS. @Communion muslim women are not brown women only and YOU ARE RACIST for claiming and steretryping them as such. |
LOL you think Pakistan was applauding the brother? That topic is panned and people **** on the brother still. Murder is never okay and majority of Pakistan thinks that. In America, a country you'd consider not barbaric, a Man ate the face of the man he murdered. There's extremes in every single country. A brother killing his sister is not common in Pakistan, that's why the story blew up, because it never ****ing happens LMAO.
And at your little note, I was referring to Pakistani women who are considered "brown." I'm racist? Girl you are a MESS 
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
I think we should ban masks then, right? Even for Halloween. It's a security threat. We can't see them.
My point with all this is, if you ban the burqa, the woman will end up wearing baggier clothes, a headscarf & face mask covering their mouth. You'll see just as much as you saw before.
Except one is socially acceptable and the other isn't. Y'all really thinking banning it is gonna start some revolution but it won't lol.
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If you see someone covering their face out of usual context, such as a person wearing a motorcyle helmet at a bank, or someone wearing a Halloween mask when it's not October/they're clearly not a child, that could be cause for alarm.
Western society - outside of expected behaviour at cultural festivals etc - views covering the face as a suspicious act. It's not a cultural norm here.
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The level of misinformation in here 
The burqa and niqab is only some barbaric symbol of oppression to westerners with no familiarity with foreign cultures and faiths. Many many women choose to wear it in keeping with their own personal religious beliefs. Many men even wear them for modesty and sun protection in Morocco and other places. I know many western educated, independent Muslim women who became more religious in their 20s and 30s and chose to start wearing it. But I guess in your black and white universe a Muslim woman couldn't possibly have free will over her own beliefs and clothing, so she must be an oppressed cattle, right?
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Originally posted by *.Digambar.*
it's so weird to see how western society has to even try to comply with cultures as extreme as this because I doubt your culture will be tolerated in their culture.
this is just my two cent in this matter. when you're in a foreign land, you live by their set of rules. that doesn't mean you can't bring your own culture. just not those that can be opposing to their way of life. I don't think hijab is frowned upon right? I think what most Ppl have issue with burqa is how the face is all covered and that is a big no no in almost all western society.
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That's true. Asking women to not cover their whole body isn't even asking much. Especially considering the fact that there are alternatives.
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Originally posted by *.Digambar.*
it's so weird to see how western society has to even try to comply with cultures as extreme as this because I doubt your culture will be tolerated in their culture.
this is just my two cent in this matter. when you're in a foreign land, you live by their set of rules. that doesn't mean you can't bring your own culture. just not those that can be opposing to their way of life. I don't think hijab is frowned upon right? I think what most Ppl have issue with burqa is how the face is all covered and that is a big no no in almost all western society.
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So ban it because they would do the same to them? Girl. Those countries don't pride themselves over being accepting or being super open minded the way most western countries do.
Especially in a country where a Mass genocide of a religion happened... How did the holocaust start to happen again? Oh yeah, Hitler took away the Jews religious liberties and it got progressively worst....
Open your eyes people.
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
I think we should ban masks then, right? Even for Halloween. It's a security threat. We can't see them.
My point with all this is, if you ban the burqa, the woman will end up wearing baggier clothes, a headscarf & face mask covering their mouth. You'll see just as much as you saw before.
Except one is socially acceptable and the other isn't. Y'all really thinking banning it is gonna start some revolution but it won't lol.
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What do you mean by mask ? Halloween is literally ONE night where people can hide their face, is it really your argument ? Mess, plus Halloween is hardly celebrated outside the US it's pretty much a non factor in France.
You can surely educate me on this but doesn't Islam only ask women to hide their hair ?
There isn't any need for a revolution, in France most muslim women wear the hijab. Burqa is only widely wear in Afghanistan and Pakistan (to my knowledge) who practise one of the most rigorist version of Islam so Im unsure why you guys are defending it like this ?
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Originally posted by Reader
If you see someone covering their face out of usual context, such as a person wearing a motorcyle helmet at a bank, or someone wearing a Halloween mask when it's not October/they're clearly not a child, that could be cause for alarm.
Western society - outside of expected behaviour at cultural festivals etc - views covering the face as a suspicious act. It's not a cultural norm here.
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It is. Girl I'm in America. I've seen a plethora of people wearing masks randomly for no reason and I'm sure everyone else has too. People wear those Anonymous masks in public transportation but no one would tell them to take the mask off would they?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
So ban it because they would do the same to them? Girl. Those countries don't pride themselves over being accepting or being super open minded the way most western countries do.
Especially in a country where a Mass genocide of a religion happened... How did the holocaust start to happen again? Oh yeah, Hitler took away the Jews religious liberties and it got progressively worst....
Open your eyes people.
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Bringing up the Holocaust is truly messy sis.
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Originally posted by FBF
What do you mean by mask ? Halloween is literally ONE night where people can hide their face, is it really your argument ? Mess, plus Halloween is hardly celebrated outside the US it's pretty much a non factor in France.
You can surely educate me on this but doesn't Islam only ask women to hide their hair ?
There isn't any need for a revolution, in France most muslim women wear the hijab. Burqa is only widely wear in Afghanistan and Pakistan (to my knowledge) who practise one of the most rigorist version of Islam so Im unsure why you guys are defending it like this ?
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Islam does. So does Christianity and Judaism. It's not only Islam 
Pakistan doesn't have a "rigorist" version of Islam. Where did you hear this? Just like you see churches everywhere, you'd see mosques everywhere. It's not really that shocking.
Mess at people calling Pakistan super sexist when they elected a female president before any of your "forward-feminist" countries. A Kii.
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Originally posted by FBF
Bringing up the Holocaust is truly messy sis.
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I've seen hundreds of people calling for a nuke of Mekkah....
Why are you acting like a Muslim genocide (which is actually happening in many areas BTW) so far-fetched? Muslims are being banned from entering certain stores already.
There's millions of religious liberties that are extremely sexist and keep women down, but no one calls for a ban on them with the same passion as banning the burqa (which is 9 times outta 10, a woman's own volition)
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
I've seen hundreds of people calling for a nuke of Mekkah....
Why are you acting like a Muslim genocide (which is actually happening in many areas BTW) so far-fetched? Muslims are being banned from entering certain stores already.
There's millions of religious liberties that are extremely sexist and keep women down, but no one calls for a ban on them with the same passion as banning the burqa (which is 9 times outta 10, a woman's own volition)
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Yes genocideS are happening. Christians and Muslims living in the Middle East. We know who's comitting it. And it's no European countries.
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Let's also acknowledge for a second that the burqa - which cloaks the entire face and body - is almost never seen in western society, the only place in the world that enforces it is Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. Muslim women who cover themselves at all usually wear the hijab, which is basically just a scarf. Some women wear the niqab which does not cover the eyes and nose.
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
It is. Girl I'm in America. I've seen a plethora of people wearing masks randomly for no reason and I'm sure everyone else has too. People wear those Anonymous masks in public transportation but no one would tell them to take the mask off would they?
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Ah I'm sorry I didn't realise you lived in the US.
Thinking back to recent protests (for various reasons) we've had on this side of the pond recently, a lot of people do cover their faces when protesting as the police record everything these days and will track people down if they go too far. They cover their face to hide their identity; an act which is suspicious in itself.
Westerners who travel to the ME should and usually do respect the local culture and practice modesty/covering the hair etc. This should work both ways. For instance, a young muslim schoolgirl wanting to be in a burqa at all times when at school could cause a lot of problems. Receipts have been posted on previous pages about terror suspects escaping surveillance using burqas. It's problematic re: the western way of life.
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