[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by keepitundercover

do you just come into this thread every other day or so to post flamebait?

[Communion]

The fact that people were advocating for eugenics and blaming poor people for starving to death and being homeless just a few pages ago.... what the ****.

Anyway, Trump is sick. Even with my issues with neoliberal politics and Hillary, Trump is going to literally cause another Gabrielle Giffords situation like Sarah Palin did. There needs to be some repercussions for these types of actions.

[LuLuDrops]

Everyone post the Thom Hartmann video on your social media and tell us the responses you get

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Communion

The fact that people were advocating for eugenics and blaming poor people for starving to death and being homeless just a few pages ago.... what the ****.

Anyway, Trump is sick. Even with my issues with neoliberal politics and Hillary, Trump is going to literally cause another Gabrielle Giffords situation like Sarah Palin did. There needs to be some repercussions for these types of actions.

Girl, what are you talking about?

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Trumprrogate getting clocked with receipts

[Communion]

Originally posted by Giselle

Girl, what are you talking about?

The sheer tone-deaf views expressed in here regarding population control and thinking "poor people just need to work harder". Obviously you have a right to your opinion and views, but it's clear certain people have no idea what it's like to be poor. I would be shocked to find out if certain people even know anyone who is living currently under the poverty line.

It's concerning if anyone who wants to get into politics as a career has such little nuance or understanding on income inequality and the struggles of the poor.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Communion

The sheer tone-deaf views expressed in here regarding population control and thinking "poor people just need to work harder". Obviously you have a right to your opinion and views, but it's clear certain people have no idea what it's like to be poor. I would be shocked to find out if certain people even know anyone who is living currently under the poverty line.

It's concerning if anyone who wants to get into politics as a career has such little nuance or understanding on income inequality and the struggles of the poor.

But I don't think anyone was talking about people who are homeless and/or starving. It was a discussion about the middle class.

But I do stick my statement that anyone who makes responsible decisions and works hard can live a productive and self-sufficient life.

[King Maxx]

What the hell? If your parents barely make money, send you to a failing school, doesn't have the resources like computers at home, have no money for bus transportation to go to the library, how can you make "responsible decisions"? Go to college? Yeah with what money? And you think someone who just went to a bad school their entire childhood/adult life can easily transition to a college?

This is what we mean by lack of empathy and acknowledgment of the things around you. Privilege at its finest.

[Giselle]

Anyway, speaking of getting into government, I've changed my stance. I can see myself working in smaller government, like state legislature but preferably a city council. Or a job at the White House/State Department/Health Department. And only for a few years, I couldn't even imagine being a career politician.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Giselle

Anyway, speaking of getting into government, I've changed my stance. I can see myself working in smaller government, like state legislature but preferably a city council. Or a job at the White House/State Department/Health Department. And only for a few years, I couldn't even imagine being a career politician.

Glad you can admit your logic is insensitive as hell.

And I have no idea what I want to do in politics right now. I'm not running for public office though.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by King Maxx

What the hell? If your parents barely make money, send you to a failing school, doesn't have the resources like computers at home, have no money for bus transportation to go to the library, how can you make "responsible decisions"? Go to college? Yeah with what money? And you think someone who just went to a bad school their entire childhood/adult life can easily transition to a college?

This is what we mean by lack of empathy and acknowledgment of the things around you. Privilege at its finest.

What about not having kids if you barely make money and won't be able to support them? What happened to that? And I don't care if this "lacks empathy" but if you have children and don't even have eighty-nine cents to put them on the bus to go to the library, yeah you've done something wrong and you're irresponsible (critically).

And sure, the transition to college may not be easy. Yet we have things like community college to help with that. And also, there are tons of different types of colleges so I don't buy that. It's not easy for many people. That's kind of called.... life.

Again, I've never said everyone can suddenly become well-off. But, as I have continually said, I stil think anyone can make a life for themselves with the correct decisions.

[Communion]

Originally posted by Giselle

But I don't think anyone was talking about people who are homeless and/or starving. It was a discussion about the middle class.

But I do stick my statement that anyone who makes responsible decisions and works hard can live a productive and self-sufficient life.

But it was spurred on - unless I'm mistaken - by a discussion on what the US should fund and the suggestion that we should be putting more into foreign aid instead of helping people who need it in the US. A significant portion of those who receive things like housing assistance, food stamps, health insurance based on income, etc. rely on these safety nets in order to survive.

And I could agree with your statement, except it's just not realistic or even aware of the fact that the current system is built to actively work against poor people. You can say you only mean the middle class, but the standards at which we set the poverty line make it almost impossible for those in poverty to get out of it and move upwards. People complain about those on welfare, yet they've made the system to make poverty a revolving door, making upward mobility non-existent.

You have people who get back on their feet and fix their situation thanks to assistance, but then they get a job and are considered making too much to qualify for assistance any longer, yet the amount they're making isn't a livable wage (especially since most jobs accessible to the poor are either rough cheap labor work or under-paying jobs) and they end up falling back into poverty without assistance because most people are going to choose not starving to death over paying their bills, especially families, particularly single-mother families. The ability to have enough money to save money, to purchase property, to have spending power, etc. is a privilege that only the wealthy have.

One of the biggest criticisms of Bill Clinton's presidency is that he got tons of people working, yet never followed up with these people - they ended up usually back in poverty because of systems outside of their control and now (because these programs' funds were cut) couldn't even get things like assistance or Medicaid again. Poor people, especially those who deal with generational poverty, get told things like college are their answer to improve their lives, but then they're hit with crumbling student debt, jobs that aren't paying enough, etc. and are buckling under the poor foundation they're raised in as growing up poor and now this mountain of debt on top of them. Not to even mention how the banking industry preys upon poor people to exploit them, that's a whole other mess.

Fiscal conservatism just doesn't work because it lacks a human element. Most people who support it don't realize the version of capitalism they support is an unchecked one that only flourishes and does well because it accepts that poor people are a "natural part of the economy". Sure, the welfare state is a symptom of a bigger issue that has to be dealt with, but it's inexcusable and inhumane to try and do away with it and blame poor people for their own suffering yet do nothing about the exploitative and abusive systems that allows unchecked capitalism to keep the scales forever unbalanced.

It'd be great if classism stopped disenfranchising poor people so much that welfare and safety nets were no longer mandatory as a duty of the government. I hope rich people stop supporting the systems that cause this.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Giselle

What about not having kids if you barely make money and won't be able to support them? What happened to that? And I don't care if this "lacks empathy" but if you have children and don't even have eighty-nine cents to put them on the bus to go to the library, yeah you've done something wrong and you're irresponsible (critically).

And sure, the transition to college may not be easy. Yet we have things like community college to help with that. And also, there are tons of different types of colleges so I don't buy that. It's not easy for many people. That's kind of called.... life.

Again, I've never said everyone can suddenly become well-off. But, as I have continually said, I stil think anyone can make a life for themselves with the correct decisions.

You did not just pull the bad parent card. I actually can't respond to you anymore. Open your eyes and mind to the world. The privilege is real, and I hope you have an in depth understanding of all lifestyles and situations before ever trying to run for office. Pathetic.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Communion

But it was spurred on - unless I'm mistaken - by a discussion on what the US should fund and the suggestion that we should be putting more into foreign aid instead of helping people who need it in the US. A significant portion of those who receive things like housing assistance, food stamps, health insurance based on income, etc. rely on these safety nets in order to survive.

And I could agree with your statement, except it's just not realistic or even aware of the fact that the current system is built to actively work against poor people. You can say you only mean the middle class, but the standards at which we set the poverty line make it almost impossible for those in poverty to get out of it and move upwards. People complain about those on welfare, yet they've made the system to make poverty a revolving door, making upward mobility non-existent.

You have people who get back on their feet and fix their situation thanks to assistance, but then they get a job and are considered making too much to qualify for assistance any longer, yet the amount they're making isn't a livable wage (especially since most jobs accessible to the poor are either rough cheap labor work or under-paying jobs) and they end up falling back into poverty without assistance because most people are going to choose not starving to death over paying their bills, especially families, particularly single-mother families. The ability to have enough money to save money, to purchase property, to have spending power, etc. is a privilege that only the wealthy have.

One of the biggest criticisms of Bill Clinton's presidency is that he got tons of people working, yet never followed up with these people - they ended up usually back in poverty because of systems outside of their control and now (because these programs' funds were cut) couldn't even get things like assistance or Medicaid again. Poor people, especially those who deal with generational poverty, get told things like college are their answer to improve their lives, but then they're hit with crumbling student debt, jobs that aren't paying enough, etc. and are buckling under the poor foundation they're raised in as growing up poor and now this mountain of debt on top of them. Not to even mention how the banking industry preys upon poor people to exploit them, that's a whole other mess.

Fiscal conservatism just doesn't work because it lacks a human element. Most people who support it don't realize the version of capitalism they support is an unchecked one that only flourishes and does well because it accepts that poor people are a "natural part of the economy". Sure, the welfare state is a symptom of a bigger issue that has to be dealt with, but it's inexcusable and inhumane to try and do away with it and blame poor people for their own suffering yet do nothing about the exploitative and abusive systems that allows unchecked capitalism to keep the scales forever unbalanced.

I'm hardly a fiscal conservative, as I think we could increase our foreign aid from 1% of our overall budget to 10%. And I also believe that there are changes to be made that would help the poor and/or middle class grow. For EX: I think college is way too expensive. I think the healthcare system is way too complicated. But I do and will continue to maintain the idea that anyone can live a self-sufficient life. Of course, if you don't pursue a degree, or you have four kids before you're financially stable and independent, or you don't know how to save and you live beyond your means, then yeah, life will be hard. But this is what I mean when I talk about responsible decisions starting early.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by King Maxx

You did not just pull the bad parent card. I actually can't respond to you anymore. Open your eyes and mind to the world. The privilege is real, and I hope you have an in depth understanding of all lifestyles and situations before ever trying to run for office. Pathetic.

You don't have to respond to me anymore but I'll leave you with some things to think about. If someone is flat out destitute and they have children, can we really say they've made responsible decisions? Can we really say they did things the right way? I don't think we can. There are hardships and I recognize this. But this victim mentality that some have does not sit well with me. I don't understand why it's so radical in this thread to say that better life decisions can lead to a better financial situation.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Giselle

You don't have to respond to me anymore but I'll leave you with some things to think about. If someone is flat out destitute and they have children, can we really say they've made responsible decisions? Can we really say they did things the right way? I don't think we can. There are hardships and I recognize this. But this victim mentality that some have does not sit well with me. I don't understand why it's so radical in this thread to say that better life decisions can lead to a better financial situation.

I won't not respond to you on here, but I'm not about to respond to the insulting thing you just said about millions of people. I just don't have words for that ignorant statement,

Making better life decisions = a better chance of making a better life. I never disputed this. I said that some things are just out of people's reach. Yeah even if someone did drugs and went to jail. If they come back out, there are still laws and things beyond their control. For instance, they can't vote and they can't find a high paying job. THAT'S WRONG. Even if you made mistakes in the past, that shouldn't stop you from changing course. And your're nitpicking certain aspects. It's just a fact that millions of people can't make it America the ways others do. You seem like the type to oppose affirmative action, equal protections, Food Stamps, universal health care, etc. and that's quite sad and unfortunate.

[Auris]

Hi guys! Anything crazy happen today in politics?

[Auris]

Originally posted by King Maxx

I won't not respond to you on here, but I'm not about to respond to you about insulting millions of people who can't just help themselves. Period.

I'll leave this one last thing.. Making better life decisions = a better chance of making a better life. I never disputed this. I said that some things are just out of people reach. Yeah even if someone did drugs and went to jail. If they come back out, there are still laws and things beyond their control. For instance, they can't vote and they can't find a high paying job. THAT'S WRONG. Even if you made mistakes in the past, that shouldn't stop you from changing course. And you'll nitpicking certain aspects. It's just a fact that millions of people can't make it America the ways others do. You seem like the type to oppose affirmative action, equal protections, Food Stamps, universal health care, etc. and that's quite sad and unfortunate.

I mean.. there ARE too many people on food stamps.

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by Auris

Hi guys! Anything crazy happen today in politics?

A Trump stan climbed the Trump Tower with suction cups, Trump said Obama is the founder of ISIS and his surrogates look as ridiculous as ever defending him. Just the usual

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Auris

I mean.. there ARE too many people on food stamps.

That's a federal government issue not a personal issue.

If someone was giving out money on the corner, would you deny taking it? That's like people who spend tons of lottery tickets so they don't have to work. You obviously should take advantage

Food stamps = Obamacare = free college. Same concepts. Again people on Food Stamps are usually low income people. And why are they low income? Bad education and economy. Not because they are "lazy" and make bad decisions as some of you say. That's the problem. Address the actual concerns not scapegoat and blame the people. That's what Republicans do.