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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
So why campaign in 2008 for gun control  and no Obama actually had the majority till the early stages of his 2nd term |
Clinton is campaigning on free college, but she's not going to get that done. People campaign on a wide range of issues; it doesn't mean that it'll be the first priority once they step into office. Gun control was on the back burner when Obama went to the WH - he had to deal with THE GREAT RECESSION and his crowning achievement OBAMACARE. Are we just going to pretend that first 2 years of his term was rosy and easy????
Obama lost the House in 2010. In the 2 years he had both chambers, he pushed Obamacare, Dodd Frank and the Stimulus. Thats plenty. When gun violence after gun violence hit the headlines, Democrats had a very small senate majority (GOP fillibustered everything) and were House minority. It was impossible for them to push gun legislation then.
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
They won't look at it because it's a sensative issue especially the Conn one because of Sandy Hook, a ban became in place because of that horrible shooting. Ya really think Clinton, Obama, any president can take away something the Founding Fathers wrote as a law  |
The 2nd Amendment, like any other amendment, is written in terms that says it has to be "well regulated". Even in the big gun SCOTUS case, Heller, the conservative justices wrote that guns had to be regulated. The means of regulation, of course, is up to interpretation. Conservatives think the status quo is enough. That doesn't make assault weapons ban etc. unconstitutional.
Your rhetoric is exactly the kind of language people used to attack same-sex marriage. Well, they were wrong and I will await the day that the Democrats push gun control reform through and prove you wrong too.
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Wait, so Tom Cotton is an "ex-gay"?
It all makes sense now. Projecting his self hate onto everyone else.
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I sometimes see "Slavery" as a example on why the 2nd amendment can be abolished but people don't realize is that Slavery was never a constitutional amendment it was more of a common practice type thing, bottom line is anything in the Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) cant be abolished. Those were the laws of the land written by the Founding Fathers, they are forever laws 
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
HRC supporters believe she is the best person suited for the job, given her record, which surpasses the records of anyone she's ran against. I honestly don't give a **** about how many "lies" she's told, as long as she does right by the country.
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Of course she lies but as long as she runs the country properly and fixes our problems, then who the **** cares? I don't even give a **** if she and Bill are corrupt either. Again, as long as she does right by our country, then I don't care how much money she and Bill get from others. (I only cared when I was desperate to look for things to attack her with when she faced Bernie.)
I like that the Clinton's are a little corrupt tbh. Shows they get **** done.
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
O bama had both the Senate and House Majority till 2014 and did nothing for gun control, he also campaigned in 2008 for gun control I feel under a Clinton administration it will be same thing. There isn't much else to do in a Gun control reform it's now a pandering issue. 2nd amendment clearly states the word "infringed" therefore we can't regulate it too much outside of background screenings |
He did NOT have a majority in Congress after 2010. Do no one remember the Tea Party mess? 
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
I sometimes see "Slavery" as a example on why the 2nd amendment can be abolished but people don't realize is that Slavery was never a constitutional amendment it was more of a common practice type thing, bottom line is anything in the Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) cant be abolished. Those were the laws of the land written by the Founding Fathers, they are forever laws |
NO-ONE is saying the 2nd amendment should be abolished. Who are you even arguing with????
The INTERPRETATION of the amendment is what matters. Just like ANY other amendment, including freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, it comes with REGULATION.
That regulation will be decided by the legislature and judiciary, so with a Clinton presidency and Democratic congress, she can appoint liberal justices, thus allowing for sweeping gun control measures that have shown themselves to be hugely successful on the state level.
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Ya keep doing the most with the SCOTUS they aren't suppose to lean Democratic or Republican they are suppose to interpret the laws of the Constitution, back in the good o'l days Justices were impeach all the the time for playing politics or leaning towards a certain party views that kind of dignity needs to come back in all honesty
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Originally posted by Radiance
NO-ONE is saying the 2nd amendment should be abolished. Who are you even arguing with????
The INTERPRETATION of the amendment is what matters. Just like ANY other amendment, including freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, it comes with REGULATION.
That regulation will be decided by the legislature and judiciary, so with a Clinton presidency and Democratic congress, she can appoint liberal justices, thus allowing for sweeping gun control measures that have shown themselves to be hugely successful on the state level.
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There are people in here saying that Clinton or any other future Presidents will issue bans left and right and eliminate the 2nd amendment
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^Samuel Chase was the only SCOTUS justice ever impeached.
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
Ya keep doing the most with the SCOTUS they aren't suppose to lean Democratic or Republican they are suppose to interpret the laws of the Constitution, back in the good o'l days Justices were impeach all the the time for playing politics or leaning towards a certain party views that kind of dignity needs to come back in all honesty |
The "good ol days" Like before the 20th century? Nah keep it.
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
Ya keep doing the most with the SCOTUS they aren't suppose to lean Democratic or Republican they are suppose to interpret the laws of the Constitution, back in the good o'l days Justices were impeach all the the time for playing politics or leaning towards a certain party views that kind of dignity needs to come back in all honesty |
Justices have their own views, Liberal or Conservative. They aren't political. But they certainly interpret the laws in different ways, which reflects their jurisprudence. The idea that SCOTUS should be a bench of justices that all have the same views, rooted in the centre, is ridiculous. There would be no need for the judiciary in that case.
There is a reason why the constitution created a SCOTUS with 9 justices, appointed by the President.
Your ignorance is astounding.
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
There are people in here saying that Clinton or any other future Presidents will issue bans left and right and eliminate the 2nd amendment |
Bans =/= eliminate 2nd amendment. The consensus is expanded background checks, no gun access to blacklists, assault weapons ban.
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Ugh. Sometimes I lose brain cells talking to you people. There was an assault weapons ban from 94-04. Bush didn't want to renew it. There are currently bans in numerous states.
The Constuitution does not state what is considered bare arms. A pistol is not the same as an assault weapons ban that was created way after the Founding Fathers died. Like banks, food, or even your freedom of speech rights, everything can and must be regulated. Banning certain type of dangerous weapons =/= repealing the 2nd Amendment. Even then, the Constuitution is and always will be subjected to interpretation so a Court could one day say guns were meant for a militia not personal use or for public display.
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Originally posted by Citrus
^Samuel Chase was the only SCOTUS justice ever impeached.
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For playing politics and leaning towards a certain party like Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did..what applies to one should apply for all! The lack of dignity needs to stop!
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
For playing politics and leaning towards a certain party like Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did..what applies to one should apply for all! The lack of dignity needs to stop!
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That was over 200 years ago..
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
For playing politics and leaning towards a certain party like Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did..what applies to one should apply for all! The lack of dignity needs to stop!
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You mean like Scalia was doing way before?
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
For playing politics and leaning towards a certain party like Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did..what applies to one should apply for all! The lack of dignity needs to stop!
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Chase was 100x more explicit in his leanings than anyone on the bench today. And he wasn't actually removed, so..
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Originally posted by Mike91
That was over 200 years ago..
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Okay and? He was appointed by George Washington or John Adams (I can't remember) and he was playing politics so he was impeach by their administration and the Congress of that time, The rules haven't changed and that's the standard if you play politics you get impeached that's the rules. I'm not understanding why Ruth got a slap in the hand  Hillary or Trump shouldn't be choosing judges that agree with there views that's not what Founding Fathers intended. I don't know about ya but I like to play by the rules of the Constitution
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