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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Whitney
Madonna
Mariah
Beyoncé
Janet
In that order, no elevator, stairs, levels or imaginary rooftop. Can't believe this thread is 19 pages tf is going on.
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Originally posted by J a y
Whitney
Madonna
Mariah
Beyoncé
Janet
In that order, no elevator, stairs, levels or imaginary rooftop. Can't believe this thread is 19 pages tf is going on.
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Time for bed
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Originally posted by stevyy
so in the end you say, that neither success, nor awards is an indication of sb's legendary status. Also the Grammy's arent an indication bc many legends don't even have 1, let alone 20. But they are certfied legends like Bowie or Bob Dylan
artists without Grammys:
Bjork
Nas
2Pac
Guns N Roses
Patti Smith
Kiss
Bob Marley
Hendrix
Queen (over 200m albums sold)
Led Zeppelin (btw over 200m albums sold)
Diana Ross
Janis Joplin
Buddy Holly
The Who
Chuck Berry
Grammys is no indication of quality, bc if it was, it would mean that some of the most impacting and legendary music artists of all times have had 0 impact, but beyoncé had? No serious music journalist would rank her above Hendrix, Led, Janis or The Who...
so sales are out of the equation
so are grammys/awards
can we objectively measure impact? Like have the legendary 5 had less impact than beyoncé, despite beyoncé heavily borrowing from their musical imprints?
Saying she is above all of the 5 mentioned acts means that beyoncé herself must be an original who cannot be linked to any of those that came b4 her. What has she done better than Tina, Janet etc? What is she more known for than they are? vocals? performing? There was a time in history when Janet was synonymous with the word performer.
Whatever the hive claims, it's highly subjective and doesn't hold up when you take the time to analyze it.
Take the touring gross. Carey is a bad touring artist with embarrassing results. However, she used to hold the overall record for selling out the Tokio Dome, selling 150,000 and then 200,000 tickets in 1996 and 1998 respectively - within minutes. How is that less notworthy than Beyoncé slaying concerts in Europe? Not to mention that Carey sold out all of her concerts in Europe, including Bercy and Wembley in the 90's and 2003. I find that arrogant to say it's beneath Beyoncé - also it cannot be objectively varified.
Also it is not on us to defend her legendary status, it's on the hive to show receipts how she is one. So far nothing's there.
Beyoncé is a huge name, but I come from an era in which people slept in front of the hotels that my favs stayed in and then ran after the cars and screamed - to a point in which they still cannot go outside in Europe without creating chaos. LIke Carey when she was greeted by 10,000 screaming fans in Tokyo during the shoot of the Boy video which was then shut down by police because city transport had collapsed at the point - and the year was 2003.
Put Madonna on a square in Buenos Aires and the entire population would greet EVITA with tears in their eyes. You could have put Whitney somewhere in South Africa and she would have rendered a Nelson Mandela convention humanless.
I come from an era when everybody wanted to look like the legendary 5. Look at old footage, you see Madonna clones, Whitney clones, Mariah clones, Janet clones, Céline clones everywhere.
I am not saying that this is what impact means, but show me receipts for Beyoncé. Is it the almost daily 5 minutes that Wendy reports about her latest endeavors? Is it the weeks of charting on the BB200 with an album? Given that it was almost impossible to chart for more than 200 weeks during any time in music history due to complete different chart measures. U know like physical singles sales have never contributed towards the albums BB placements like digital song sales are today. The conditions were ultimately harder and way different than today.
Beyoncé is a huge star, but she is not a legend imo. The stats don't suggest that.
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Very Well said Beyonce is a pop Icon but a legend? Not a chance
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No and if u disagree ur a mariah hater!!!!
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Madonna, Tina, Bey.. the stadium queens
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Beyonce is a good performer, but it's about time people stopped praising her like she's some musical deity in the same vein as Madonna, MJ, Prince and Tina Turner. It's a shame the intrinsically, musically talented people who are still in the business don't get the time of day anymore.
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Originally posted by Dark Miracles
Beyonce is a good performer, but it's about time people stopped praising her like she's some musical deity in the same vein as Madonna, MJ, Prince and Tina Turner. It's a shame the intrinsically, musically talented people who are still in the business don't get the time of day anymore.
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If music critics, music publications, and media in general claim that why do the fans of less gifted artists feel the need to refuse to accept it? 
So it was ok for Michael, MJ, Prince and Tina to be considered legend after years of success acclaim, impact and influence but not for Beyonce because what? Please give us the reasons.
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Originally posted by AxelFox
If music critics, music publications, and media in general claim that why do the fans of less gifted artists feel the need to refuse to accept it?
So it was ok for Michael, MJ, Prince and Tina to be considered legend after years of success acclaim, impact and influence but not for Beyonce because what? Please give us the reasons. |
are you really saying Beyoncé created even close a classic to the ones mentioned? If so, bless you.
beyoncé is successful, but hasn't done anything of substance compared to the aforementioned artists.
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Originally posted by AxelFox
If music critics, music publications, and media in general claim that why do the fans of less gifted artists feel the need to refuse to accept it?
So it was ok for Michael, MJ, Prince and Tina to be considered legend after years of success acclaim, impact and influence but not for Beyonce because what? Please give us the reasons. |
Beyonce is not the only popgirl that has claim,impact and Influence
She's a main fixture in the current pop climate but like I said outside the US she's is not as huge as the American fans might believe and this is far from shade but it's the truth
She's GLOBALLY successful but she's on par with more then a handful of pop girls that came out around the same time.
The US media hype her like crazy and the fans get caught up in it she's a Big Star and even a pioneer but she's not as important as people think she is. She's the best as what she does for sure and inspires many people but aside from her digital releases nothing she has done is groundbreaking
Will she be become a legend in the future? Time will tell that title you don't just get that label because you collect Grammies and have a 90+ score on metacritic it's something you earn that title with futer generations way after your Peak.
Her music is not game changing or important and neither are any of her albums does she have a ray of light? A thriller? A simply the best? A music box? A baby one more time? Nope
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Originally posted by AxelFox
So it was ok for Michael, MJ, Prince and Tina to be considered legend after years of success acclaim, impact and influence but not for Beyonce because what? Please give us the reasons.
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Are you kidding me?
What impact and influence does Beyonce have that is actually comparable to MJ/Prince/Tina Turner?
Surprise releasing her album?
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Originally posted by DanceAgain
Beyonce is not the only popgirl that has claim,impact and Influence
She's a main fixture in the current pop climate but like I said outside the US she's is not as huge as the American fans might believe and this is far from shade but it's the truth
She's GLOBALLY successful but she's on par with more then a handful of pop girls that came out around the same time.
The US media hype her like crazy and the fans get caught up in it she's a Big Star and even a pioneer but she's not as important as people think she is. She's the best as what she does for sure and inspires many people but aside from her digital releases nothing she has done is groundbreaking
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important enough to sell out them stadiums
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Originally posted by stevyy
are you really saying Beyoncé created even close a classic to the ones mentioned? If so, bless you.
beyoncé is successful, but hasn't done anything of substance compared to the aforementioned artists.
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She has. Crazy In Love, Halo and Single Ladies at the very least will be just as remembered and iconic in time. You guys don't see it because they're not as old and she's still in her prime.
Stop being so pressed jeez  Be grateful you happened to be born in a time when you got the chance to breath the same air Queen B does and stop with the bs
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only 2 ppl in the title of this thread will be inducted into the hall of fame (one already is and the other aint eligible YET).. sit back and watch 
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
Are you kidding me?
What impact and influence does Beyonce have that is actually comparable to MJ/Prince/Tina Turner?
Surprise releasing her album?
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How does she not have impact and influence when she's been the most celebrated woman in music since Britney Spears had her meltdown?
How does she not have influence when almost every artist out there, male or female, cite her as an influence or aknowledge how great she is.
How does she not have impact when songs and albums are now released on Fridays because of the digital drop?
How is she not comparable to them when she's arguably the best live performer the industry has ever seen?
How is she not a legend when the media and publications reffer to her as Queen B, and her peers as well.
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In terms of sales, hell no.
In terms of touring, yes.
In terms of legendary performances, no.
In terms of iconic moments, no.
In terms of media impact, yes.
In terms of longevity, yes.
Is Beyoncé a legend, yes.
Are Madonna, and Mariah bigger legends, yes.
Is Janet a bigger legend, no.
Is Whitney a bigger legend, debatable.
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Originally posted by FBF
In terms of legendary performances, no.
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She pretty much has the most iconic Super Bowl halftime show of all time. Shall we remember how many publications put it at the top of their Best Halftime Show of All Tie lists? or at least in the first 5..
If that's not a legendary performance than what is? 
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She's about to outgross her biggest tour younger and more relevant
So I say she's bigger lmao
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
important enough to sell out them stadiums
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Like she's the only one that does? Is that your only debate?
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Originally posted by Dark Miracles
Beyonce is a good performer, but it's about time people stopped praising her like she's some musical deity in the same vein as Madonna, MJ, Prince and Tina Turner. It's a shame the intrinsically, musically talented people who are still in the business don't get the time of day anymore.
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The only reason why y'all say Beyoncé is overrated is bc she excels in EVERYTHING she is supposed to as a musician, performer as an icon , Beyoncé is 20 ****ing years in her career and she still has the same impact as day one
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