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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by Mike91
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/with_replies
Read his tweets. He has inside information and says there's still hope for the others. No one knows her decision yet and it's split amongst her 08 staffers and Obama's 08 staffers.
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I really hope this guy is legit, and he seems to be. If it's not Liz, I love what he mentioned - the idea of Hillary picking Biden to stay on as her VP. That'd be amazing.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
!!!! Although that would be impossible because the effects would already have been done.
It reminds me of Obamacare. No matter what they are doing, 20M people now have insurance. How could you possibly reverse that? If Trump was to win, could a state sue and bring it to the Supreme Court? If so, Obamacare would be safe IMO.
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They can and have. The biggest parts of the legislation have come before the Supreme Court and Kennedy joins the rest in saving it. They know the damage of those 20 million losing insurance overnight.
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
I really hope this guy is legit, and he seems to be. If it's not Liz, I love what he mentioned - the idea of Hillary picking Biden to stay on as her VP. That'd be amazing.
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Biden said no thank you.
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
They can and have. The biggest parts of the legislation have come before the Supreme Court and Kennedy joins the rest in saving it. They know the damage of those 20 million losing insurance overnight.
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Okay good.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by keepitundercover
I am so curious to see what the Republicans are going to focus their agenda on for 2020  once the immigration reform actually happens, what is left for them anymore? |
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Originally posted by Radiance
Easy!
Repeal Clinton's Immigration Reform.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
!!!! Although that would be impossible because the effects would already have been done.
It reminds me of Obamacare. No matter what they are doing, 20M people now have insurance. How could you possibly reverse that? If Trump was to win, could a state sue and bring it to the Supreme Court? If so, Obamacare would be safe IMO.
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They are going to repeal neither...the only GOPers that don't want immigration reform are the Tea Partiers. And they are not a large enough majority to reverse it.
And Trump is not as big of a conservative as most think...he would tweak both, and put his name on it. Trumpcare and Trumpigration Reform. 
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I'm starting to buy into the idea of Warren as VP. Trump picking Pence allows Hillary to swerve to the left without risking the loss of moderate voters.
My only worry is that the broader US electorate may not be ready for a two women ticket.
Clinton/Warren and then Joseph Kennedy in Senate would be nice, though.
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Originally posted by Blade
I imagine waking up on Friday morning to a text from Hillary's camp with the words CLINTON/WARREN but I know that's not going to happen. 
Trump's running mate should have been Newt. Warren would have been picked the second Trump announced Newt. |
That's the debate I wanted...would of been one for the ages. 
It will be Kaine though as Hillary's VP...she can't afford to lose Virginia, Kaine as her veep would basically make that state a lock for her
...unless Hillary picks Kasich...Trump would be livid! 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politi...ice-president/
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Trump sources have acknowledged, though, that long before Trump settled on Indiana Gov. Mike Pence for his running mate, top Trump aides viewed Kasich as their best bet for winning the White House in November.
Kasich, however, has remained steadfast in his opposition to Trump, following a vicious Republican primary which tore the party in pieces.
The Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign launched a concerted and sometimes public effort to woo Kasich back into the fold ahead in the weeks before the convention. But Kasich rebuked their advances.
This week relations between the two camps have grown even more strained after Manafort told MSNBC that Kasich was "embarrassing his state" by skipping the convention.
Kasich has been trolling the convention in his home state all week -- attending fundraisers and talking with delegates everywhere in Cleveland except The Quicken Loans Arena itself.
That was enough Wednesday for Steve Stepanek, co-chairman of the Trump campaign in New Hampshire, to call on delegates to boycott Kasich's speech to the New Hampshire delegation.
"Gov. Kasich has refused to endorse Donald Trump, he refused to welcome us as Republican delegates to his great state of Ohio. He's refused to participate in the Republican National Convention, which I think is totally inappropriate," Stepanek told CNN. "Since he's refused to participate in the convention or endorse Donald Trump, I think its totally inappropriate to attend any event he is sponsoring."
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Hillary would get all the moderates, independents, and some conservatives if she picked Kasich...It be game, set, match Hillary!
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
They are going to repeal neither...the only GOPers that don't want immigration reform are the Tea Partiers. And they are not a large enough majority to reverse it.
And Trump is not as big of a conservative as most think...he would tweak both, and put his name on it. Trumpcare and Trumpigration Reform. |
Well when you say GOPer want immigration reform I think the idea of what it consists of changes. It's clear, from Trump's success, that republican voters want immigrants out. I don't think they would go against their constituents like that.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
They are going to repeal neither...the only GOPers that don't want immigration reform are the Tea Partiers. And they are not a large enough majority to reverse it.
And Trump is not as big of a conservative as most think...he would tweak both, and put his name on it. Trumpcare and Trumpigration Reform. |
The Republican definition of immigration reform is not the same as the Democratic version. They want to deport illegals, build a wall and secure the borders, and let people come back in legally through a long process.
We want a full path towards citizenship for the 11M undocumented, and allowing illegals waiting for citizenship to buy into health care, to name a few. Let's not confuse the two different "reforms"
Also for health care, we want to push for single payer and universal health care and to mandate it. Republicans want to appeal Obamacare and let people choose to or not to buy into private health care. No thanks.
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Originally posted by Radiance
I'm starting to buy into the idea of Warren as VP. Trump picking Pence allows Hillary to swerve to the left without risking the loss of moderate voters.
My only worry is that the broader US electorate may not be ready for a two women ticket.
Clinton/Warren and then Joseph Kennedy in Senate would be nice, though.
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It's going to be Kaine. Let your mind digest before she announces him.
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Had Kasich accepted Trump's offer, the only two people who Hillary could've picked imo was Biden or Bernie. No one else would have beat that ticket.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Tim Kaine IS from Virginia. He was Mayor, L. Governor, Governor, and now Senator and has never lost an election. Virginia is a swing state, and if she wins that with Colorado, Nevada, and NC as we suspect, Hillary is the president without Ohio, Penn, Iowa, NH, or Florida.
He was a Top 2 finalist in '08 with Biden for Obama. And Obama said he supports this pick for Hillary.
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Stop pushing for Tim Kaine. 
Clinton's going to get a lot of backlash for this pick. He has an anti-choice record, today it came out that he wants to deregulate the banks, and has accepted $160,000 of political gifts (legal or not, it doesn't matter). 
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Had Kasich accepted Trump's offer, the only two people who Hillary could've picked imo was Biden or Bernie. No one else would have beat that ticket.
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Yep. Thankfully Kasich rejected the opportunity to be the next Dick Cheney.
Both Kasich and Cruz positioning themselves for 2020; thinking that the fallout of a Trump loss would mean GOP folks would flee back to the establishment.
I think they are wrong. After 2008's astronomical loss, the GOP did not run away from Sarah Palin. They stuck closer to her. The Tea Party happened. A Trump loss+Clinton presidency will only cause the GOP base to become increasingly radicalised. Folks like Kasich, who shunned Trump, will not be a favourite in the primaries.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by King Maxx
It's going to be Kaine. Let your mind digest before she announces him.
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Initially I was confident it would be Kaine, but recent events make me think differently.
The leaks that Bill is pushing Kaine and the WH's comments commending Kaine unprovoked lead me to think this is part of the plan.
Make Kaine the inevitable choice and then stun everyone. Also helps show that Hillary is her own woman and will not be dictated by Bill/Obama.
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Originally posted by keepitundercover
Well when you say GOPer want immigration reform I think the idea of what it consists of changes. It's clear, from Trump's success, that republican voters want immigrants out. I don't think they would go against their constituents like that.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
The Republican definition of immigration reform is not the same as the Democratic version. They want to deport illegals, build a wall and secure the borders, and let people come back in legally through a long process.
We Democrats want amnesty, a full path towards citizenship for the 11M undocumented, and allowing illegals waiting for citizenship to buy into health care, to name a few. Let's not confuse the two different "reforms"
Also for health care, we want to push for single payer and universal health care and to mandate it. Republicans want to appeal Obamacare and let people choose to or not to buy into private health care. No thanks.
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Trump is not guided by ideology...he is guided by poll numbers, and whatever makes him the most popular at that particular moment. If Trump gets into office and the vast majority of Americans want something, Trump will give it to them.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Had Kasich accepted Trump's offer, the only two people who Hillary could've picked imo was Biden or Bernie. No one else would have beat that ticket.
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It would of been Warren, if that was the case...
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Originally posted by Radiance
Yep. Thankfully Kasich rejected the opportunity to be the next Dick Cheney.
Both Kasich and Cruz positioning themselves for 2020; thinking that the fallout of a Trump loss would mean GOP folks would flee back to the establishment.
I think they are wrong. After 2008's astronomical loss, the GOP did not run away from Sarah Palin. They stuck closer to her. The Tea Party happened. A Trump loss+Clinton presidency will only cause the GOP base to become increasingly radicalised. Folks like Kasich, who shunned Trump, will not be a favourite in the primaries.
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I don't think Paul Ryan would let that happen...he would be perfectly happy to expel Ted Cruz from the GOP forever. I think you'll see the opposite...a big moderate push with Kasich bridging the gap between moderates and conservatives.
...even Fox News will get a more moderate makeover now that uber-conservative Roger Ailes is getting pushed out. Rupert Murdoch's son's are quite moderate, and want to change the Fox News platform.
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I thought they might be sending up false signals that it's Kaine so they can surprise everyone and select someone else. I think because he's just so middle of the road and does little for enthusiasm for the ticket. Her base is so uninspired by her, to pick an generic old white guy from Virginia is not going to do much.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
I don't think Paul Ryan would let that happen...he would be perfectly happy to expel Ted Cruz from the GOP forever. I think you'll see the opposite...a big moderate push with Kasich bridging the gap between moderates and conservatives.
...even Fox News will get a more moderate makeover now that uber-conservative Roger Ailes is getting pushed out. Rupert Murdoch's son's are quite moderate, and want to change the Fox News platform.
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Paul Ryan is powerless, just like Boehner before him. The fact that he is embracing Trump is evidence enough. Ryan can't do anything in the House because of the Freedom Caucus.
History suggests that the GOP electorate reacts to loses by becoming increasingly radicalised. The move back to the centre is a pipe dream.
Fox News does not dictate the movement of the GOP. It is quite the opposite. Fox News goes where the GOP goes.
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Wait Tim Kaine wants to deregulate the banks and pass TPP.
No Bueno to him now. Go with Perez or Vilsack, Hillary. I'm so off of team Kaine that quick.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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OMG. Both Tom Perez and Tom Vilsack used private email servers and were caught up in controversy. What is her team doing????
EDIT: Okay both are fake.
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Originally posted by Radiance
Paul Ryan is powerless, just like Boehner before him. The fact that he is embracing Trump is evidence enough. Ryan can't do anything in the House because of the Freedom Caucus.
History suggests that the GOP electorate reacts to loses by becoming increasingly radicalised. The move back to the centre is a pipe dream.
Fox News does not dictate the movement of the GOP. It is quite the opposite. Fox News goes where the GOP goes.
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Difference is Boehner was a hapless, dolt...I don't get those vibes from Ryan. I think Ryan will push back, where Boehner caved in...
Ryan knows that Ted Cruz is a roach that needs to be dealt with.
After McCain lost, the GOP elected Romney...he was the opposite of a radical.
2016 is an anomaly in the since that you have an anti-establishment fervor on both sides with the rise of Trump/Sanders. That's why Hillary should not take this election lightly.
Murdoch's sons can push whatever agenda they want on FOX News...push a more moderate tone and the viewers will adopt that tone. The sheep are easy to manipulate.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Wait Tim Kaine wants to deregulate the banks and pass TPP.
No Bueno to him now. Go with Perez or Vilsack, Hillary. I'm so off of team Kaine that quick.
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So does Hillary once she gets into office. 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
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You can say what you want about Hillary, but she is not stupid. Deregulating the banks would be political suicide.
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