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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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I don't think he changed his mind.
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Member Since: 10/2/2011
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Pence was a bumbling, incoherent, clammy MESS trying to defend RFRA at that now infamous press conference.
I look forward to Hillary's VP pick DESTROYING him.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by @michael
I'd love to see Pence and Warren debate.
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Warren's not a great debater though. She stutters a lot too.
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Originally posted by Retro
State special election laws would allow for Dems to keep Warren's seat.
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No, it would allow for a special election, and that does not ensure anything.
Dems lost Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts seat in a special election to Scott Brown because Democrats do not turn out in non-presidential polls.
This is a risk not worth taking.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Dems would not lose her seat. Trust me Warren would get her voters out.
They only lost Ted's seat because the Tea Party dominated politics that year. Elizabeth quickly got that seat back when the 2 years were up. Mass. is pretty blue now. Votes blue in the presidential election by over 20 points, and currently occupies both senate seats.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Dems would not lose her seat. Trust me Warren would get her voters out.
They only lost Ted's seat because the Tea Party dominated politics that year. Elizabeth quickly got that seat back when the 2 years were up. Mass. is pretty blue now. Votes blue in the presidential election by over 20 points, and currently occupies both senate seats.
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They lost it because of Martha Coakley, who also went on to lose a governor election in 2014.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by RatedG²
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Pence has been my governor for the last 4 years, what Retro said is unequivocally true.
And no matter what that CNN article said, there's no way she's going to pick Booker and lose his seat for 2 years. Harry Reid told her not to pick anyone who would be replaced by a republican, except for Warren, who he has been advocating for Hillary to pick, because of the special election, and because if that Kennedy runs for it, he'd be a lock to win it back.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I don't think he changed his mind.
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It was originally 100% confirmed to be Pence and then Trump's campaign started to go back on it saying there was no decision made yet.
But it probably will end up being Pence either way.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Pence has been my governor for the last 4 years, what Retro said is unequivocally true.
And no matter what that CNN article said, there's no way she's going to pick Booker and lose his seat for 2 years. Harry Reid told her not to pick anyone who would be replaced by a republican, except for Warren, who he has been advocating for Hillary to pick, because of the special election, and because if that Kennedy runs for it, he'd be a lock to win it back.
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I mean it could be but I haven't been shown any evidence to see otherwise
If she herself doesn't see a problem with it then I don't understand why it would be a problem. Not to mention New Jerseycis another state with a special election. And unlike Massachusetts, New Jersey hasn't sent a republican to the senate in 4 decades
Cory would be even safer than Elizabeth if we're talking strictly about picking senators from republican governed states
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I mean it could be but I haven't been shown any evidence to see otherwise
If she herself doesn't see a problem with it then I don't understand why it would be a problem. Not to mention New Jerseycis another state with a special election. And unlike Massachusetts, New Jersey hasn't sent a republican to the senate in 4 decades
Cory would be even safer than Elizabeth if we're talking strictly about picking senators from republican governed states
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Just because you haven't educated yourself enough about him yet doesn't mean it's not true. I've lived here for his entire term, and while he was serving in the House of Representatives. Again, what Retro said is unequivocally true. He is an ignorant bigot who is consistently more concerned with taking away rights from the LGBT community and from women, than he is with actually governing and trying to fix our economy and schools.
And this is just the point where they are just floating out a bunch of names, it's misdirection. Just because "sources" in a CNN article say she's alright with it, doesn't mean she is actually alright with it. If she picked him, that means instead of at least 4 seats needed to take back the senate, we'd need to win at least 5 just to get to 50. It's not happening. And if he was safer, Reid would have been alright with her picking him, but he isn't, as opposed to Warren.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Just because you haven't educated yourself enough about him yet doesn't mean it's not true. I've lived here for his entire term, and while he was serving in the House of Representatives. Again, what Retro said is unequivocally true. He is an ignorant bigot who is consistently more concerned with taking away rights from the LGBT community and from women, than he is with actually governing and trying to fix our economy and schools.
And this is just the point where they are just floating out a bunch of names, it's misdirection. Just because "sources" in a CNN article say she's alright with it, doesn't mean she is actually alright with it. If she picked him, that means instead of at least 4 seats needed to take back the senate, we'd need to win at least 5 just to get to 50. It's not happening. And if he was safer, Reid would have been alright with her picking him, but he isn't, as opposed to Warren.
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Oh, I am educated on Pence. Read up about him for a while now (ever since he was considered a VP candidate). Nothing I've read about him, however, suggested he was a homophobe or transphobe. If anyone has a source I could read that would be nice but I haven't seen any myself and saw mostly good things about him so there's that.
As I've said, like Massachusetts, there's a special election for New Jersey should the senator have to leave office. Booker and Warren would not be that much of a problem to work with in that regard. Booker is safer because New Jersey clearly doesn't have a history of republican senators.
Just because Reid is okay with Warren doesn't mean he's not okay with Booker. He may just personally want Warren and tried to see if there was a way to keep the seat blue if she was chosen. That doesn't mean suddenly he doesn't like the other VP senate choices.
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Every article I'm seeing mentioning Cory Booker says Chris Christie would pick his replacement.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Oh, I am educated on Pence. Read up about him for a while now (ever since he was considered a VP candidate). Nothing I've read about him, however, suggested he was a homophobe or transphobe. If anyone has a source I could read that would be nice but I haven't seen any myself and saw mostly good things about him so there's that.
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From Mike Pence's archived Congressional campaign website:
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• Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage.
• Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual’s as a "discreet and insular minority" entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities.
• Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.
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In addition to being anti-LGBT, Pence is also a misogynist.
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• In addition to defense spending, Congress should lead a national debate on reforming the military by...
• (2) bringing an end to gender mixed basic training and gender mixed housing on military bases.
• (3) bringing an end to assigning women to combat support units, combatant ships and pilot billets that ultimately result in women becoming involved in combat. While women have always made an important contribution to national security, we must resist liberal impulse to use the military to advance the interest of women in civilian culture at the expense of military readiness and effectiveness. America must not become the only nation in the world to use women in combat positions.
• (4) bringing an end to the "don’t ask/don’t tell" policy of permitting homosexuals to serve in the armed forces. Homosexuality is incompatible with military service because the presence of homosexuals in the ranks weakens unit cohesion.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Did I really just read that Pence isn't homophobic when he literally voted against/opposed LGBT interests? 
And it's not just the religious freedom mess we're talking about here.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Every article I'm seeing mentioning Cory Booker says Chris Christie would pick his replacement.
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He would pick the interim. Not the replacement. For example, back in 2013 Booker became senator after a special election when a vacancy opened up. Christie picked an interim replacement for a few months but ultimately was given back to democrats after the special election.
Same thing would happen in Mass
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Thanks for this let me read into it.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Okay I can agree with Retro and other Hoosiers that Mike Pence is indeed...off the reservation with some of these proposals  . Some make sense but like clearly that's not okay 
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Pence was also a conservative talk radio host in the 90's. So, y'all stay perched because you know some good sis will leak those tapes soon. Given his views, you know he was making some vile comments that won't cut it in 2016.
Needless to say, it's easy to see why he gets along well with Donald Trump.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by RatedG²
As I've said, like Massachusetts, there's a special election for New Jersey should the senator have to leave office. Booker and Warren would not be that much of a problem to work with in that regard. Booker is safer because New Jersey clearly doesn't have a history of republican senators.
Just because Reid is okay with Warren doesn't mean he's not okay with Booker. He may just personally want Warren and tried to see if there was a way to keep the seat blue if she was chosen. That doesn't mean suddenly he doesn't like the other VP senate choices.
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Unfortunately, that's not true. The only reason that Booker was voted in on a special election was because the sitting senator passed away. They wouldn't be able to call for a special election if he becomes VP, unfortunately. So Christie would be able to appoint his replacement who would remain there until the 2020 election. So, that's why Reid said, "hell no" to Hillary picking senators with republican governors (like Booker and Sherrod Brown), except for Warren, who would be able to be replaced by a republican for only 3 months until the special election.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Unfortunately, that's not true. The only reason that Booker was voted in on a special election was because the sitting senator passed away. They wouldn't be able to call for a special election if he becomes VP, unfortunately. So Christie would be able to appoint his replacement who would remain there until the 2020 election. So, that's why Reid said, "hell no" to Hillary picking senators with republican governors (like Booker and Sherrod Brown), except for Warren, who would be able to be replaced by a republican for only 3 months until the special election.
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Actually, New Jersey law doesn't say special election for the sitting senator passing away, just for a vacancy (regardless of reason)
Although looking more into it, this law states that the governor does indeed appoint a successor until the next general election unless the governor deems that a special election before then would be proper instead. And back in 2013, Christie's appointment could've stayed until 2014 but he thought it would have been better to hold a special election back then instead. So the democratic primary winner ended up taking the seat
With Christie in Trump's back pocket now there's not a good chance he would be that forgiving and he would definitely keep his appointment in until the end of Booker's term, if he were to be picked of course.
So I guess it is slightly different  . Well good thing Hillary doesn't care
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This may be awful to say, but with what has happened in Dallas and now Nice, France... will help Trump's campaign and get him elected.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Actually, New Jersey law doesn't say special election for the sitting senator passing away, just for a vacancy (regardless of reason)
Although looking more into it, this law states that the governor does indeed appoint a successor until the next general election unless the governor deems that a special election before then would be proper instead. And back in 2013, Christie's appointment could've stayed until 2014 but he thought it would have been better to hold a special election back then instead. So the democratic primary winner ended up taking the seat
With Christie in Trump's back pocket now there's not a good chance he would be that forgiving and he would definitely keep his appointment in until the end of Booker's term, if he were to be picked of course.
So I guess it is slightly different . Well good thing Hillary doesn't care |
I guarantee Hillary cares a hell of a lot about ensuring there is a Democratic Senate majority waiting for her when she gets inaugurated. She doesn't need to potentially jeopardize that when she has many other viable VP options. She won't pick Booker, just as she won't pick Brown.
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