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Chart News: UWC: #1 JT w/422k (2.781m); Into You debuts at #28
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
Weird how EXO sold 500k in five days, yet UWC reports these sales figures.
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Wasn't it released on a Monday? That would be 4 days from monday to Thursday
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Originally posted by BlazingLovatic
Weird how EXO sold 500k in five days, yet UWC reports these sales figures.
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EXO's album only had 3 or 4 days of sales in the tracking week it was released in. This makes sense.
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Originally posted by SweetTalker
Wasn't it released on a Monday? That would be 4 days from monday to Thursday
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Originally posted by KORDEI
EXO's album only had 3 or 4 days of sales in the tracking week it was released in. This makes sense.
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wow, it feels like so long since release, that I thought it must've had a full week. 
Even so, GaOn>Hanteo.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Sorry but Ariana's numbers here are clearly inflated.
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And this is CLEARLY your biased opinion.
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Queen B and Princess Ari keep slaying this chart!!
EXO did so good too
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Originally posted by Jude
And this is CLEARLY your biased opinion.
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well then explain where the numbers came from?
She sold 17.6k in her 3 biggest markets. Where did 30k come from?
If your answer is "she's global" then you don't understand how sales work.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
well then explain where the numbers came from?
She sold 17.6k in her 3 biggest markets. Where did 30k come from?
If your answer is "she's global" then you don't understand how sales work.
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From the rest of the world? 
I don't know what logic you're talking about but 3 biggest markets don't mean everything. Like, she could sell 4k in Mexico and 5k in Brazil for example (it's just an example, i haven't checked the numbers). The point is she might be bigger somewhere else that we don't know. Remember the time when Pink earned $80 million tour grossed in Australia (almost 70% percentage of her tour gross during Funhouse era)? And Funhouse sold like 800k there (which is a very rare case)
In other words, the evidence you brought for the debate is weak and i know mediatraffic is not accurate, but at lease it is more reliable than the estimation you made based on just 3 markets. And i don't think Ariana's stans have to explain it to anyone because at least they have a source that is relevant for us-ATRL-ers as we always use mediatraffic from day 1. If you want to prove them wrong, you're the one who needs to come up with a better source/evidence.
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Here some admitional Sales:
1989' by Taylor Swift 12,000 / 9,553,000, 'A Head Full Of Dreams' by Coldplay 37,000 / 3,130,000, 'A Moon Shaped Pool' by Radiohead 15,000 / 458,000, '21' by Adele 12,000 / 28,073,000, 'Anti' by Rihanna 21,000 / 1,070,000, 'Blurryface' by Twenty One Pilots 27,000 / 1,346,000, 'Cloud Nine' by Kygo 17,000 / 160,000, 'Fallen Angels' by Bob Dylan 18,000 / 161,000, 'I Still Do' by Eric Clapton 33,000 / 225,000, 'Immortalized' by Disturbed 17,000 / 747,000, 'Legend' by Bob Marley & The Wailers 17,000 / around 33 million, 'Purple Rain' by Prince 17,000 / around 21 million, 'Purpose' by Justin Bieber 29,000 / 4,706,000, '7/27' by Fifth Harmony 25,000 / 149,000, 'Thank You' by Meghan Trainor 27,000 / 256,000, 'The Very Best' by Prince 23,000 / 4,4 million, 'This Is Acting' by Sia 19,000 / 737,000, 'X' by Ed Sheeran 16,000 / 8,360,000.
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
From the rest of the world?
I don't know what logic you're talking about but 3 biggest markets don't mean everything. Like, she could sell 4k in Mexico and 5k in Brazil for example (it's just an example, i haven't checked the numbers). The point is she might be bigger somewhere else that we don't know. Remember the time when Pink earned $80 million tour grossed in Australia (almost 70% percentage of her tour gross during Funhouse era)? And Funhouse sold like 800k there (which is a very rare case)
In other words, the evidence you brought for the debate is weak and i know mediatraffic is not accurate, but at lease it is more reliable than the estimation you made based on just 3 markets. And i don't think Ariana's stans have to explain it to anyone because at least they have a source that is relevant for us-ATRL-ers as we always use mediatraffic from day 1. If you want to prove them wrong, you're the one who needs to come up with a better source/evidence. |
You don't understand how tiny and frontloaded markets aisde from the major markets are. If she's selling 7k in the US where she promoted, she isn't going to be moving more than half of that in countries that are not major music markets and are more reliant on streaming than the United States. It's just not how it works.
It's not even just Ariana - 5H's recent numbers have been similarly dubious. Drake's numbers in this update don't check out to me either.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
You don't understand how tiny and frontloaded markets aisde from the major markets are. If she's selling 7k in the US where she promoted, she isn't going to be moving more than half of that in countries that are not major music markets and are more reliant on streaming than the United States. It's just not how it works.
It's not even just Ariana - 5H's recent numbers have been similarly dubious. Drake's numbers in this update don't check out to me either.
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Okay, but even if the US, UK, and Japan are the biggest markets, they're only three markets. It's not that hard to believe that 64 percent of Ariana's sales this week are coming from all the other countries in the world. Also, just because the US is the biggest music market, doesn't mean it's Ariana's biggest market at any given time. Dangerous Woman is underperforming in America (Donutgate is probably a factor), but it happens to be doing relatively well in other countries. The album has gone top ten in 30 international charts, top five in 20, and number one in 11 so far. I highly doubt this Mediatraffic person, who has been doing these charts for years, is a secret Ariana stan with an agenda to inflate her sales. Ariana just happens to be global. 
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Originally posted by Artemisia
well then explain where the numbers came from?
She sold 17.6k in her 3 biggest markets. Where did 30k come from?
If your answer is "she's global" then you don't understand how sales work.
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Stop. The world doesn't revolve around those three countries only. You're just pressed that our fave is actually selling globally. 
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Ariana is holding amazing 
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Originally posted by Artemisia
well then explain where the numbers came from?
She sold 17.6k in her 3 biggest markets. Where did 30k come from?
If your answer is "she's global" then you don't understand how sales work.
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In the rest of Asia.
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Originally posted by ThugginGrande
Okay, but even if the US, UK, and Japan are the biggest markets, they're only three markets. It's not that hard to believe that 64 percent of Ariana's sales this week are coming from all the other countries in the world. Also, just because the US is the biggest music market, doesn't mean it's Ariana's biggest market at any given time. Dangerous Woman is underperforming in America (Donutgate is probably a factor), but it happens to be doing relatively well in other countries. The album has gone top ten in 30 international charts, top five in 20, and number one in 11 so far. I highly doubt this Mediatraffic person, who has been doing these charts for years, is a secret Ariana stan with an agenda to inflate her sales. Ariana just happens to be global. |
And how is it holding up now? It's tumbling down the sales charts in every single market. Which is why these sales do not make any sense.
And I know they aren't secret Ariana stans... which is why I explained that Ariana isn't the only act with suspicious mediatraffic updates.
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Originally posted by asanders10795544
In the rest of Asia.
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She's #47 in south korea this week. China isn't a big album market by any stretch.
It just doesn't add up.
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+ the mediatraffic guy has, as far as i know, no more sales sources than any one of us here has.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
And how is it holding up now? It's tumbling down the sales charts in every single market. Which is why these sales do not make any sense.
And I know they aren't secret Ariana stans... which is why I explained that Ariana isn't the only act with suspicious mediatraffic updates.
She's #47 in south korea this week. China isn't a big album market by any stretch.
It just doesn't add up.
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Every SINGLE market? What a big FAT lie. 
Yes it is tumbling down in SOME FEW countries but not anywhere. You're really pressed that you're even spitting those lies.
DW this week:
Taiwán
01 (01) 04 Dangerous Woman (4 week at number 1)
Poland
21 (19) 03 Dangerous Woman
Israel Best-Seller Albums
06 (05) 02 Dangerous Woman
Finland
13 (11) 04 Dangerous Woman
Norway
07 (06) 04 Dangerous Woman
Japan Oricon
12 [12] - Dangerous Woman (5 weeks) 6,052
Greece
11 (04) Dangerous Woman
Croatia
02 (18) 03 Dangerous Woman
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Originally posted by Artemisia
You don't understand how tiny and frontloaded markets aisde from the major markets are. If she's selling 7k in the US where she promoted, she isn't going to be moving more than half of that in countries that are not major music markets and are more reliant on streaming than the United States. It's just not how it works.
It's not even just Ariana - 5H's recent numbers have been similarly dubious. Drake's numbers in this update don't check out to me either.
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She sold 7k in US because she flopped there and everybody agrees with that. That doesn't mean she flopped in other countries too. I haven't done research but i just use a same example: the album sold 7k in US this week and fell to #31, however, it might stay at #3 in Brazil and sold 3k there. I mean, the album might be a success elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Jude
Every SINGLE market? What a big FAT lie.
Yes it is tumbling down in SOME FEW countries but not anywhere. You're really pressed that you're even spitting those lies.
DW this week:
Taiwán
01 (01) 04 Dangerous Woman (4 week at number 1)
Poland
21 (19) 03 Dangerous Woman
Israel Best-Seller Albums
06 (05) 02 Dangerous Woman
Finland
13 (11) 04 Dangerous Woman
Norway
07 (06) 04 Dangerous Woman
Japan Oricon
12 [12] - Dangerous Woman (5 weeks) 6,052
Greece
11 (04) Dangerous Woman
Croatia
02 (18) 03 Dangerous Woman
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Use this example, the album could sell like 5k there and stay at #1. Even though the sales there is much lower than US, 5k is not totally impossible considering Twain is one of the biggest market in Asia.
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