[Monster Megamind]

Originally posted by Andres

But who cares about a party that's infested with corruption? **** incrementalism, why can't we demand what we believe in?



I would happily go starved if it meant protesting Trump every day of my life for those kinds of things.

The protesting won't do nothing. After getting this presidency, Republicans will get a HUGE morale boost. In fact I predict more racist shootings and wrongful convictions. No amount of protests would change anything because there already is a 50 percent of the nation who support them.

[jinzo]

Originally posted by Retro

Climate change needs to be halted immediately and I think we need to rise up with extreme fervor to make our representatives realize this. Just saying.

It needs to have been solved sixteen years ago.

You're deluding yourself if you think Hillary will do jack about climate change. She will continue the status quo of courting the boom economies of China, India, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia etc- all of whom don't give a damn about the amount of emissions they spit out. Their emissions output will be far less clean and far more damaging to the environment whatever the actions of Hillary or Donald in the US domestically.

[Monster Megamind]

Which party on earth is NOT corrupt? Every nation has it.

[Monster Megamind]

If they are not corrupt, they wouldn't survive.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Andres

Just hypothetically speaking, if the democratic party died tomorrow it would only be remembered for the great things it did. If it continues the path it's in right now then it could take a turn it can't come back from.

Well the primaries will surely be different than '08 and '16. Corporations won't buy politicians. I am 100% sure of that.

Even if it stayed the same, we'll be remembered for our change. And Obama and Hillary will be the 1st two leaders of the new Era.

[Retro]

I didn't say I expected Hillary to do anything new about climate change. I said WE need to do something about it. The time for waiting for politicians is up.

Originally posted by Andres

Just hypothetically speaking, if the democratic party died tomorrow it would only be remembered for the great things it did. If it continues the path it's in right now then it could take a turn it can't come back from.

And that is why I want so badly to change it.
The party as a whole can still be salvaged.

[Monster Megamind]

Originally posted by Andres

Just hypothetically speaking, if the democratic party died tomorrow it would only be remembered for the great things it did. If it continues the path it's in right now then it could take a turn it can't come back from.

My point being that I'm not worried about no damn party, I'm worried about the future of my country. The country my niece and nephew will live in when I'm long gone.

Yes. So start negotiations with hillary. Draw up a plan. You know your candidate was rejected. But if you want your movement to succeed, you need to start negotiating. Because with Republicans there is NO scope for anything.

[King Maxx]

For people saying Hillary won't make change, I disagree. When she has a job, she gets things done. She won't be looking for a job anymore so especially in her 2nd term will she go all out on progress. Same with Obama. 2nd terms are much more freer than the 1st because there is no doubt of being replaced.

For people saying she won't stop the big banks and address climate change. I assure you she wants a 2nd term so that alone should rest any doubt. She can't pull off another Bernie in 2020, and I'm sure one would come if she does not keep her promises.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Monster Megamind

If they are not corrupt, they wouldn't survive.

Corruption will never be ended entirely but exactly when should we do something about it? When there's another genocide?

You talk about it like it's not big deal

[Monster Megamind]

I personally feel, all the rational Bernie fans should make the irrational ones realize the horrors to come. If you don't, your own movement will be stopped for next 8 years. Because I know for sure, Donald will do good for his supporters. And he will get re-elected.

[King Maxx]

The Clintons love to be loved. She knows her numbers will look bad if she didn't draw up her immigration plan which in her first 100 days she will as well as her infrastructure plan.

Those two and her advancements on women's rights (equal pay, abortion), etc. will be her defining moments. She'll sneak a surprise climate change plan in there as well that'll make progressives happy. Bookmark me.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Retro

I didn't say I expected Hillary to do anything new about climate change. I said WE need to do something about it. The time for waiting for politicians is up.



And that is why I want so badly to change it.
The party as a whole can still be salvaged.

Yes but the answer to salvaging it isn't Hillary Clinton. She's in too deep already

[Monster Megamind]

Originally posted by Andres

Corruption will never be ended entirely but exactly when should we do something about it? When there's another genocide?

You talk about it like it's not big deal

If this party won't, the other party in power WILL do it.. It's always about survival of the powerful. But still I'm glad that in spite of the decisions of the past,the Democratic party has its heart in the right place. You know for sure there won't be another pogrom or nuclear war etc. Can you guarantee such a thing about Republicans?

[Andres]

Originally posted by King Maxx

The Clintons love to be loved. She knows her numbers will look bad if she didn't draw up her immigration plan which in her first 100 days she will as well as her infrastructure plan.

Those two and her advancements on women's rights will be her defining moments. Bookmark me.

You think I don't want you to be right? I absolutely want you to be right but like someone said, the Clintons love to be loved by corporations

We'll see...

[Andres]

Originally posted by Monster Megamind

I personally feel, all the rational Bernie fans should make the irrational ones realize the horrors to come. If you don't, your own movement will be stopped for next 8 years. Because I know for sure, Donald will do good for his supporters. And he will get re-elected.

fear mongering is a republican tactic, stop it already

[Retro]

Originally posted by Andres

Yes but the answer to salvaging it isn't Hillary Clinton. She's in too deep already

From an entirely biased, subjective, and intensely loyal perspective, I just disagree.

[Monster Megamind]

Now you have to decide in these circumstances - will you eat your own vomit or your own ****. Because if you postpone /avoid this decision, you'll be forced to eat your own **** aka Donald Trump.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Retro

From an entirely biased, subjective, and intensely loyal perspective, I just disagree.

How can you say in one page that you see where government is headed and you don't like it and now say that Hillary is the answer to those problems? I will just never understand.

The Clintons have gotten this far because of how they played the game and they've played it dirty, I'll let their numbers speak to that...

[Khal]

Not a Bernie stan whinning about how they've been treated by the other side, the lack of self awareness is real. From what I've seen the attacks from the Bernie bros have been much worse than anything Hilary fans have come up with (except if you're referring to this thread, which is expected since the Hilary fans outnumbered everyone else), but on every other platform, the victims have been vile, frothing at the mouth at any mention of Hilary.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Andres

You think I don't want you to be right? I absolutely want you to be right but like someone said, the Clintons love to be loved by corporations

We'll see...

I disagree. As a Billary supporter, can I sit here and say they will be the champions of stopping the 1% from getting wealthier? No. Not going to lie.

But one thing both, especially, Hillary cares about are domestic policies. She'll be the toughest on guns, immigration, health care, education, and infrastructure that we've ever seen. IN DAT ORDER.

How do I know? Because her voting record, her passion, and her detailed plans on all tells me she cares deeply about them.