Wow. What a prestigious and reliable source you have?
Maybe you should link to a Fox News or TYT video next?
Don't disregard Fox for the sole reason that it's Fox News. Just because they're biased doesn't mean they're not factual. You have to take what they say with the knowledge that it's coming from conservatives, but not with the assumption that it's unreliable.
My issues with this article are: I don't see it really arguing how the Republicans are a better outlet for these people's frustrations; and the notion of a literal revolution occurring seems outlandish to me and seems like a vague threat.
I also take issue with how it characterizes virtually all Democrats as wealthy, detached people who don't understand the struggles people are facing and who aren't trying to help.
I know that this is how people feel and I know that it's representative of the attitudes right now, but I can't help but take issue with aspects of it.
The solution is pushing the Democratic party to the left, not "revolting against it" or threatening revolution. The only revolution that needs to happen is that which Sanders made the central issue of his candidacy - liberal Democrats being elected up and down the ballot nationwide through a concerted effort of voter turnout and progressive movement.
Don't disregard Fox for the sole reason that it's Fox News. Just because they're biased doesn't mean they're not factual. You have to take what they say with the knowledge that it's coming from conservatives, but not with the assumption that it's unreliable.
Fox local news is fine.
However, Fox News online or cable channel should 100% be discounted.
If you ever see an interesting article from Fox, you should ALWAYS find a second source to back it up before believing it.
Just because they occasionally post true items does not make them reliable.
Now this I 10000000% agree with! Its probably one of the most solid posts you've ever made, Melvin! <3
This shade though
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I think that it's a failure to agree on how to address it, and I think that failure to agree stems from extreme partisanship. People are becoming more liberal and more conservative, and politicians are refusing more and more to work across the aisle at all. It's not really helped by the incredibly different and diverging images the GP sees in Sanders and Trump or Clinton and Trump. Everything is becoming so much more polarized that things we can all agree on like infrastructure are being left out of discussion, and when they are brought up it's all about who gets their way.
Yeah I think this is the problem. I honestly don't see it changing anytime soon though unless we get a Democratic-majority Congress with a Democratic president (or Republican Congress/president) in office. I just can't picture both sides working together with how different they're becoming (Republicans literally trying to deny rights from people).
But infrastructure is possibly the one thing that could bring them together. Everyone can recognize that we need more funding for it and we're severely behind other countries when it comes to airports and railways. I have a feeling though that nothing will be done about it until some huge fatal accident happens
Well I've grown up in a single-mother household with unsteady income, I worked extremely hard in school and was able to get a full ride to my university (Vanderbilt) without loans. There stems my dislike for Bernie, whose primary issue is free college. As someone who's been below the poverty line but worked my way to success, I realize that college is unfairly biased towards the wealthy, but I don't believe the Gov should get involved. Especially since I've worked hard to go to my university free of charge, I've seen how hard work gets us where we want to go: not government handouts.
I'm extremely socially liberal on all issues other than immigration and somewhat on abortion. As an Arizonan with many first generation friends whose parents worked to get into this country legally, I believe that illegal immigrants should be required to come over legally and not given amnesty. This I disagree with libertarians on, too. In terms of abortion, I think it should be legal for the first trimester and banned afterwards unless it's a rape victim/etc.
My family is Israeli and I support Israel's movements in Gaza whilst disagreeing with most of their movements in the West Bank.
I'm for general spending cuts, making Social Security optional, and either having a 100% capitalist healthcare system or a 100% socialist one. The mix we have now isn't helping anybody. I'm in favor of eliminating the public school system and replacing it with charters. As an Arizonan, we have one of the worst public systems in the country but three of the T10 high schools in the country - including the #1 - all of which are charters. I personally go to a private (on full financial aid) but I have seen how amazing our charter schools are and how much better they function than the overfunded and underacheiving publics are. Also I'm in favor of chartering out roads to companies and getting the government out of the majority of projects. End food stamps. Cut military spending. Stop foreign aid to most countries.
I hate guns with a passion, with my father having legally obtained and killing himself with one. However, I believe that we have a right to arms. People should have background checks and a mental health review before getting guns, though. No guns for criminals.
Privatize prisons, release all weed/shrooms/lsd-related criminals. Legalize every drug less dangerous than alcohol for sure, I'm not sure regarding my views towards drugs like heroin and meth.
Taxes are a complicated issue for me that I'm not fully sure what I believe in yet - but it's generally more conservative. I do believe in a progressive tax though with eliminating income tax for those under the poverty line.
Hope that lays out some of my views for you - and I'm open to discussion on any of them! It'd be silly to be so hardcore that I'm unwilling to change, but this is where I currently stand.
I think the biggest division we have is on the size of government and on government aid. Having grown up in a similarly single-mother household and also going to a rather costly private university, I think it's interesting that I have a different perspective, but I'll note that in my case my school doesn't offer full rides - I'm receiving every loan, scholarship, and grant I can possibly get and worked hard to get here, but still have to work another job and get parental help to afford it and will graduate with a disconcerting amount of debt. And I'm in a rather privileged position, so that shows how others are doing.
I strongly disagree with making SS optional, with cutting public aid to education systems (who don't get enough as it is), with ending food stamps (I think there are a lot of people who need and rely on them who work hard), etc. I actually found a really good article I posted in the last thread I think that discusses how charter schools on average haven't been proven to do better and how cutting public education aid really hurts our students as a whole, but I'll find that again later. I also disagree on abortion (I think it's 100% the woman's choice, no question, any time - not mine to decide as a man) and I'm a bit more lax on immigration.
We can discuss individual issues as they come but it's good to understand where everyone is starting from.
Attacking a few gay people because he doesn't agree with what they've done does not change the fact that he has been a supporter of the LGBT community for decades. I'm just not understanding the connection.
Attacking a few gay people because he doesn't agree with what they've done does not change the fact that he has been a supporter of the LGBT community for decades. I'm just not understanding the connection.
I don't think there is any way to spin attacking aids activists as anything other than a slight on the LGBTQ community.
I think the biggest division we have is on the size of government and on government aid. Having grown up in a similarly single-mother household and also going to a rather costly private university, I think it's interesting that I have a different perspective, but I'll note that in my case my school doesn't offer full rides - I'm receiving every loan, scholarship, and grant I can possibly get and worked hard to get here, but still have to work another job and get parental help to afford it and will graduate with a disconcerting amount of debt. And I'm in a rather privileged position, so that shows how others are doing.
I strongly disagree with making SS optional, with cutting public aid to education systems (who don't get enough as it is), with ending food stamps (I think there are a lot of people who need and rely on them who work hard), etc. I actually found a really good article I posted in the last thread I think that discusses how charter schools on average haven't been proven to do better and how cutting public education aid really hurts our students as a whole, but I'll find that again later. I also disagree on abortion (I think it's 100% the woman's choice, no question, any time - not mine to decide as a man) and I'm a bit more lax on immigration.
We can discuss individual issues as they come but it's good to understand where everyone is starting from.
Indeed - interesting how similar backgrounds can lead to different views I think my views mainly stem from the fact that, without governmental aid, I've made it this far all by making connections and working my ass off in school and with the city (I've worked for the City of Phoenix for the past two years in the Sister Cities department).
I would never want to cut aid to schools, in fact I voted for Prop 123 to increase funding in AZ by 3 billion over the next ten years, I just want to re-appropriate it to charters as I've seen in my own state how charters function extremely well and have unique focuses that aren't possible in the public system. Just checked this year's rankings - Arizona lost the #1 high school but we now occupy both #2 and #3 alongside two more in the T20. All of which are charters.
Attacking a few gay people because he doesn't agree with what they've done does not change the fact that he has been a supporter of the LGBT community for decades. I'm just not understanding the connection.
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I don't think there is any way to spin attacking aids activists as anything other than a slight on the LGBTQ community.
Bernie has always been supportive of the gays and the civil rights movements. What he says to LGBT supporters and AIDS activists doesn't destroy his support in the past and his beliefs that the LGBTQ community should be treated as equals. There are more important issues at hand than if a socialist believes in equal rights.
The "I did it so everyone else should be able to do it" belief is just...
Can't describe it. I just don't think it's a good way to think about things. Every person is different.
While true, it shows how Gov. handouts aren't necessary for the poor. I speak from personal experience but I can pull up studies that show the same. I just feel like personal experience is a lot stronger in shaping one's views than a study one finds on the internet.
While true, it shows how Gov. handouts aren't necessary for the poor. I speak from personal experience but I can pull up studies that show the same. I just feel like personal experience is a lot stronger in shaping one's views than a study one finds on the internet.
That's true. Full-ride scholarships are extremely rare though, so not many people are able to get this opportunity. I actually had the chance to go to a school with a full ride but I chose not to because I didn't like the school.
I believe anyone should be able to go to school if they want to. There are a lot of kids that can't go simply because it costs too much. Something has to be done about that. I like the free college plan because it opens up opportunity to people that would never have had it before and because it works in other countries. Surely it could work here too.
Well I've grown up in a single-mother household with unsteady income, I worked extremely hard in school and was able to get a full ride to my university (Vanderbilt) without loans. There stems my dislike for Bernie, whose primary issue is free college. As someone who's been below the poverty line but worked my way to success, I realize that college is unfairly biased towards the wealthy, but I don't believe the Gov should get involved. Especially since I've worked hard to go to my university free of charge, I've seen how hard work gets us where we want to go: not government handouts.
oh yeah no, this is basically some GOP "grab yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric that I'm 100% against.
not to discredit your personal experience and views tho, Auris. I just don't personally agree that there shouldn't be some kind of govt. enforced equal opportunity for all when it comes to certain things.
oh yeah no, this is basically some GOP "grab yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric that I'm 100% against.
not to discredit your personal experience and views tho, Auris. I just don't personally agree that there shouldn't be some kind of govt. enforced equal opportunity for all when it comes to certain things.
It's good to disagree! It sparks conversation and debate as to what is the best way to achieve certain goals (such as the best way to go about education) and what level of Gov. intervention/what the role of Gov. is
I think my views mainly stem from the fact that, without governmental aid, I've made it this far all by making connections and working my ass off in school and with the city (I've worked for the City of Phoenix for the past two years in the Sister Cities department).
