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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Losing by more than 10 percentage points in Oregon, basically tying in Kentucky... And this is the future nominee?
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Kentucky is solid red, so it doesn't matter for November. AND she's going to take Oregon in November very effortlessly.
So I'm not sure why it matters if she lost or won those particular two right now 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Bloo
I actually agree with this decision. Do you really think just having Hillary be the nominee is going to be enough to help unify the party? This is a good attempt to unify the party and will likely help Bernie become more positive towards the party. As much as I can't stand him, it'd be infinitely better to have him as an ally than as a bystander.
Also, Bernie has given voice to the far-left wing of the party and they're going to grow in prominence in the coming years. If Hillary's elected, I think she'll be the last moderate Democratic nominee for a while.
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Honestly if she gets elected I feel like she'd be the first progressive president since FDR . I feel like Bernie has challenged/changed her so much she'll be a mini-socialist. Especially with the platform and depending on her VP choice
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Damn, libs are so arrogant. But just wait for November. It's going to be so much fun hihi.
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Both sides are arrogant
Bernie fans think he'd easily beat Trump when there are many reasons that were stated to prove why that's not necessarily true
Hillary stans think Donald is the one person she can destroy considering he has higher unfavorables than her and he's said questionable things in the past
And Trump fans think they can run over a socialist a la swift boat 2004 and Crooked Hillary because no one likes her and she can't even knock out a socialist
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Member Since: 3/17/2011
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Originally posted by Bloo
Why do people think Trump is the best nominee/candidate for the economy..? I'm actually curious.
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He'll increase national weave and wig sales by 350% and bring their production back from China. 
By the way, my university's annual forum on security policy will be focusing on the US election this year, which is unusual to say the least. The Donald has people scared all around the world lol. I think I'll go, I don't have anything important to do on Wednesday, and they'll be predicting a winner. 
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Honestly if she gets elected I feel like she'd be the first progressive president since FDR . I feel like Bernie has challenged/changed her so much she'll be a mini-socialist. Especially with the platform and depending on her VP choice |
I think the way we talk about "progressive" is so confusing. I think of Obama as a progressive. To me, the opposite of a progressive is a conservative. Progressive means to want change to move forward, regardless of how fast that change comes. So, to me, Hillary is a moderate progressive and Bernie is a radical progressive. So, I still think that if she is elected that she would be the last moderate progressive president for a while.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Damn, libs are so arrogant. But just wait for November. It's going to be so much fun hihi.
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It will be FUN to see a racist loses and his racists, homophobic and islamphobic supporters (aka not all) cry their salty tears. Trump's authoritarian reign will NEVER comes to pass. At least not in 2016 in the year of our Lord. Try again in 2020. 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Bloo
I think the way we talk about "progressive" is so confusing. I think of Obama as a progressive. To me, the opposite of a progressive is a conservative. Progressive means to want change to move forward, regardless of how fast that change comes. So, to me, Hillary is a moderate progressive and Bernie is a radical progressive. So, I still think that if she is elected that she would be the last moderate progressive president for a while.
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Oh. Well yeah if you're going by this then I agree with your initial assessment
However I always thought progressive was...you know left, conservative was right, and moderate was anything in between.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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I think Hillary Clinton will win.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Oh. Well yeah if you're going by this then I agree with your initial assessment
However I always thought progressive was...you know left, conservative was right, and moderate was anything in between.
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Wouldn't it be like
Radical(Bernie) - Moderate(Hillary) - Centrist(Some independent guy/gal) - Moderate (Kasich?) - Radical (Trump)
Progressive seems like a weird term since I believe it could also apply to some aspects of the Libertarian Party as well. But then again they would be the more liberal Libertarians. I feel like I'm confusing myself 
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The most high-profile right radical politician of this election season was Cruz, not Trump, by far.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Bloo
The most high-profile right radical politician of this election season was Cruz, not Trump, by far.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
It will be FUN to see a racist loses and his racists, homophobic and islamphobic supporters (aka not all) cry their salty tears. Trump's authoritarian reign will NEVER comes to pass. At least not in 2016 in the year of our Lord. Try again in 2020. |
Very well-said.  Racism against Latinos as well as sexism against women are two characteristics which will LOSE this November (and forever). I'm glad Hillary and her supporters have none of those characteristics. Not all supporters are like that.
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Wouldn't it be like
Radical(Bernie) - Moderate(Hillary) - Centrist(Some independent guy/gal) - Moderate (Kasich?) - Radical (Trump)
Progressive seems like a weird term since I believe it could also apply to some aspects of the Libertarian Party as well. But then again they would be the more liberal Libertarians. I feel like I'm confusing myself |
I like this!
But if this is right, why did Bernie, in one debate, accuse Hillary of being moderate and NOT progressive? Couldn't she have been both according to this?
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I like this!
But if this is right, why did Bernie, in one debate, accuse Hillary of being moderate and NOT progressive? Couldn't she have been both according to this?
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Dessy's text graphic explains how I think of moderate/radical and progressive/conservative. And, yes, Hillary can very easily be both a progressive and a moderate. That would just mean she is a progressive that believes in incremental change over dramatic change, whether that's because it's believed to be more doable or otherwise is beside the point.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I like this!
But if this is right, why did Bernie, in one debate, accuse Hillary of being moderate and NOT progressive? Couldn't she have been both according to this?
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I think he acknowledges she's moderate left-wing. That's probably why his first answer was "some days".
Kasich is NOT a moderate/centrist. He's conservative.
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Member Since: 2/20/2012
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Originally posted by Vision
"Hardly conservative on gays" You actually think Donald is going to be good for the LGBT?
The same Donald who opposes marriage equality.
The same Donald who supports FADA.
The same Donald who disagreed with, then changed his mind and supported Kim Davis.
The same Donald who panders to evangelicals saying he'd get rid of gay equality.
The same Donald who said America was going to hell when people defended the gay NFL player.
The same Donald who made homophobic comments when Huffington's husband left her.
The same Donald who defended Carrie Prejean's homophobic comments.
The same Donald who said he didn't care about Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
The same Donald who purposely misgenders Trans people and mocks them.
You'd have to be foolish to be part of the LGBT and not see that he's just pandering and how conservative he is.
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I don't care.
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Is there? I mean, her main claim to fame is her husband. A Kardashian-sized mess.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
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Great. As long as it's not too much.
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Originally posted by Icarus
Why give the loser influence over the party platform  the people want Hillary's platform |
Because a little under half of the Democratic electorate voted for him so their voice is what matters at the end of the day. He will have GREATER influence. That doesn't mean he'll have substantial amount of it. Hillary is still the platform that won, and that is the one (with some compromise) that will go up against Trump.
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Hillary is going to win Minnesota when she runs for her second term. 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Aden
Hillary is going to win Minnesota when she runs for her second term.
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YESSS! Bernie supporters want to end closed primaries, but the real issue are caucuses. #MakethePrimariesactualPrimaries
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
Why do people think Trump is the best nominee/candidate for the economy..? I'm actually curious.
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Because of his business experience. What are Hillary's economic qualifications? She doesn't really have any, which is why she made Bill her Economy Czar
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