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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
Only if we're lucky.
Also, the economy and border are more important to me than same-sex marriage and abortion will ever be. Priorities, people! |
The economy is more important to me than those issues as well. Which is why I'm voting for Hillary Clinton over the businessman who inherited success and has gone bankrupt four times and has yet to propose any economic policies.
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I actually agree with this decision. Do you really think just having Hillary be the nominee is going to be enough to help unify the party? This is a good attempt to unify the party and will likely help Bernie become more positive towards the party. As much as I can't stand him, it'd be infinitely better to have him as an ally than as a bystander.
Also, Bernie has given voice to the far-left wing of the party and they're going to grow in prominence in the coming years. If Hillary's elected, I think she'll be the last moderate Democratic nominee for a while.
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I agree especially with this part. Bernie did spark a revolution and helped bring visibility to liberalism/socialism but it is not a change he can suddenly bring to the country.
Our country, unfortunately, is receptive to change. There needs to be a smooth transition to the kind of platform the left wants to see happen. Hillary is in that perfect middle ground where her policies are largely left-leaning but her image can help those who aren't so left get on board.
This might be delusional of me but I don't think we will have another Republican president if the GOP's platforms and stances don't undergo an evolution and remain as they are, at least not unless something extreme happens. I do think the American public for the most parts is progressing more and more.
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So Trump is leading the polls now, hmm? Hihi.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
Only if we're lucky.
Also, the economy and border are more important to me than same-sex marriage and abortion will ever be. Priorities, people! |
That's also my opinion whenever I vote. Obviously, I'm not an American so I won't vote ha anyways, but my priorities lie with whomever provides me with the freest market possible. And I also favor closing of borders, they exist for a reason and should be firm enough to provide security.
The economy is the reason I prefer Trump over Clinton but Clinton over Sanders. At this point, like I pointed out many times, I would be alright with Hillary winning this, which is the most likely outcome, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Aden
I agree especially with this part. Bernie did spark a revolution and helped bring visibility to liberalism/socialism but it is not a change he can suddenly bring to the country.
Our country, unfortunately, is receptive to change. There needs to be a smooth transition to the kind of platform the left wants to see happen. Hillary is in that perfect middle ground where her policies are largely left-leaning but her image can help those who aren't so left get on board.
This might be delusional of me but I don't think we will have another Republican president if the GOP's platforms and stances don't undergo an evolution and remain as they are, at least not unless something extreme happens. I do think the American public for the most parts is progressing more and more.
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The Republican party will likely adapt their entire party. Their issue is that they absorbed the Tea Party and they need to separate from them and come up to speed with social issues. If the GOP does that, though, it would give way for far-right party to build in prominence. I honestly think there's a chance that the two parties will split. I think the GOP is more susceptible to this than the DNC for the time being.
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Originally posted by Bloo
Jan, have you seen the Supreme Court justices that he is proposing? Obama was not technically part of the group of politicians that enacted nationwide same-sex marriage. It was the Supreme Court. If Trump is elected and puts in extremely conservative Supreme Court justices like he's proposing, then it's very likely that same-sex marriage will have lived a short life.
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I don't see this happening. The uproar of people who would have their rights stripped would be huge. They won't touch this issue. But that's my personal feeling, it's not something anyone can support with evidence as we don't know what they'll do to be fully fair.
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Why do people think Trump is the best nominee/candidate for the economy..? I'm actually curious.
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Remember when y'all were talking about how Trump might have to go through a brokered and wild convention and how the Republican Party was self-destructing?
Fast forward and the Republican Party is now fully getting behind Trump, with a few sour losers here and there, while the Bernie supporters will definitely cause a scene at the Democratic convention.
Karma is a bitch, hmm? Hihi.
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I seriously wonder, why do third party candidates like Dr. Jill Stein even bother running for elections knowing they are going to lose? It just seems like a huge waste of time and money.
If I were a third party candidate, I would only seriously run if the political climate was actually somewhat friendly to third parties.
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Losing by more than 10 percentage points in Oregon, basically tying in Kentucky... And this is the future nominee?
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Even if we discount the role of economics completely, though, the difference in governing quality is stark. Democrats have a governing program and a cadre of policy advisers that is responsive to empirical reality and able to effectively respond to real-world problems. Republicans have none of these things, and the rise of Trump has shown that the problem has grown worse, not better. Republicans don’t have an “ex-president problem.” They have a failed party.
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Since we are on the topic, this article about why Democratic presidents are historically more popular than Republican presidents is really good.
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Remember when y'all were talking about how Trump might have to go through a brokered and wild convention and how the Republican Party was self-destructing?
Fast forward and the Republican Party is now fully getting behind Trump, with a few sour losers here and there, while the Bernie supporters will definitely cause a scene at the Democratic convention.
Karma is a bitch, hmm? Hihi.
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If this is the worst "karma" has to offer, then I'll take it.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Losing by more than 10 percentage points in Oregon, basically tying in Kentucky... And this is the future nominee?
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Yep, and with more votes than Trump. There's a lot to be proud of when it comes to Hillary. Sad that you have to resort to awfulattempts at shade to feel better about your candidate.
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The nickname "Crooked Hillary" has really caught on. I see it everywhere now. Trump is a true marketing genius.
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Originally posted by Bloo
There's a lot to be proud of when it comes to Hillary.
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Is there? I mean, her main claim to fame is her husband. A Kardashian-sized mess.
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
Is there? I mean, her main claim to fame is her husband. A Kardashian-sized mess.
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And yet her resume is more impessive than Bill's when he ran for president.
If all you're going to do is post unintelligent dribble copy and pasted from Donald Trump's Twitter with that gif at the end of it, then you might not be taken seriously in this thread.
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Originally posted by Aden
I seriously wonder, why do third party candidates like Dr. Jill Stein even bother running for elections knowing they are going to lose? It just seems like a huge waste of time and money.
If I were a third party candidate, I would only seriously run if the political climate was actually somewhat friendly to third parties.
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I mean it seems hopeless but the idea of the third parties in America (imo) is to influence policies and changes in the main two party even though they'll probably not actually hold any large office, as well as spreading the ideals they represent. People love alternatives if there can be one.
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Originally posted by Bloo
Why do people think Trump is the best nominee/candidate for the economy..? I'm actually curious.
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I think it's because he's a billionaire businessman. Even if he has gone bankrupt, his business is obviously still successful and he must be doing something right to have lasted all these years.
And it could also be because he keeps talking about taking jobs back from China.
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Damn, libs are so arrogant. But just wait for November. It's going to be so much fun hihi.
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Originally posted by Marvin
I think it's because he's a billionaire businessman. Even if he has gone bankrupt, his business is obviously still successful and he must be doing something right to have lasted all these years.
And it could also be because he keeps talking about taking jobs back from China.
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I understand that less when he's proposed no policy and he inherited his success rather than start from the ground up. Hopefully someone who supports him will respond, because I'm actually interested.
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