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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 7/21/2012
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This is where me and my progressive friends disagree. If I ran for office, I would def take money from people who may not even agree with me. They're stupid for supporting someone who clearly disagrees with their ideology.
If the Bushes' and their donors want to give money, keep it coming. They know good and well where she stands.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
There's no way Hillary Clinton, establishment Democrat, would represent half of the country  |
Maybe not, but she'll for sure represent more than half of the voters. They matter. If you don't vote, then you have no say. Blame yourself for not showing up. Hmm sounds like Bernie supporters. That was not me intention when writing this.
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Originally posted by King Maxx
This is where me and my progressive friends disagree. If I ran for office, I would def take money from people who may not even agree with me. They're stupid for supporting someone who clearly disagrees with their ideology.
If the Bushes' and his donors want to give money, keep it coming. They know good and well where she stands.
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Some of them probably would have donated to her anyway. She needs lots of money to blow out Trump.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by King Maxx
This is where me and my progressive friends disagree. If I ran for office, I would def take money from people who may not even agree with me. They're stupid for supporting someone who clearly disagrees with their ideology.
If the Bushes' and their donors want to give money, keep it coming. They know good and well where she stands.
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I don't think you're looking at this holistically. You have never been in the same environment as Hillary for song long. Al her friends are rich, she's cosy with those donors, she may not even know that she's being corrupted.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
Posts: 71,871
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Romney Vetting Third Party Candidates
It's like these people want Hillary to win, if you're a republican then idgi  . Get it together GOP.
Oh Trump called Hillary an unbelievably nasty enabler  . Also used some of Sanders' attacks to Hillary as well. She's gonna get it from both sides (not sexual ) probably until July. RIP her poll numbers
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Member Since: 5/25/2011
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One of my FB friends posted this. I thought I should share here:
Democratic Primary 2016 Delegate Math!
Democratic Delegate Math Explained: Regarding a “narrow path to victory” for Senator Sanders, there's been a lot of discussion of possible scenarios, many requiring the current rules be changed. It's worthwhile to see how they’d pan out. Here are 6 scenarios:
1) Current scenario:
• 2,383 delegates wins the nomination.
• Right now: Hillary needs 178 and Bernie 982. There are 1159 total delegates still available.
• Bernie must win 85% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
2) What if the Superdelegates switch, and vote proportionally with the winner of their states?
• Hillary would have 2079 delegates and Bernie 1517. Hillary needs 304 and Bernie needs 866 to win.
• Bernie must win 75% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
3) What if there are no Superdelegates?
• If Superdelegates are eliminated, the new majority of pledged delegates is 2,026.
• Hillary has 1683. Bernie 1362. Hillary needs 343 and Bernie 664.
• There are 933 delegates still available.
• Bernie must win 71% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
4) What if the delegates go winner-takes-all (Republican style)?
• Hillary has won 23 states to Bernie’s 18.
• If winner take all, she gets 2661 delegates and Bernie 893.
• As of May 3, Hillary wins the nomination with 278 extra, and Bernie needs 1490.
• She wins by a landslide before primary voting is even finished.
5) What if there’s a Contested Convention (or Contested Contest)?
• A ‘Contested Convention’ happens when no one has enough delegates to secure the nomination.
• With just 2 people running, a majority will be reached.
• Hillary will have reached a majority of combined delegates by June, and there will be no contest.
6) Just let the people vote and use the popular vote to tally, because it's the most Democratic.
• As of May 5th, 2016, Hillary has 12,432,259 votes and Bernie has 9,299,108
• She has 3,133,151 more votes.
• She wins.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for gun violence.
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Member Since: 6/5/2011
Posts: 3,159
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Originally posted by dman4life
One of my FB friends posted this. I thought I should share here:
Democratic Primary 2016 Delegate Math!
Democratic Delegate Math Explained: Regarding a “narrow path to victory” for Senator Sanders, there's been a lot of discussion of possible scenarios, many requiring the current rules be changed. It's worthwhile to see how they’d pan out. Here are 6 scenarios:
1) Current scenario:
• 2,383 delegates wins the nomination.
• Right now: Hillary needs 178 and Bernie 982. There are 1159 total delegates still available.
• Bernie must win 85% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
2) What if the Superdelegates switch, and vote proportionally with the winner of their states?
• Hillary would have 2079 delegates and Bernie 1517. Hillary needs 304 and Bernie needs 866 to win.
• Bernie must win 75% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
3) What if there are no Superdelegates?
• If Superdelegates are eliminated, the new majority of pledged delegates is 2,026.
• Hillary has 1683. Bernie 1362. Hillary needs 343 and Bernie 664.
• There are 933 delegates still available.
• Bernie must win 71% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
4) What if the delegates go winner-takes-all (Republican style)?
• Hillary has won 23 states to Bernie’s 18.
• If winner take all, she gets 2661 delegates and Bernie 893.
• As of May 3, Hillary wins the nomination with 278 extra, and Bernie needs 1490.
• She wins by a landslide before primary voting is even finished.
5) What if there’s a Contested Convention (or Contested Contest)?
• A ‘Contested Convention’ happens when no one has enough delegates to secure the nomination.
• With just 2 people running, a majority will be reached.
• Hillary will have reached a majority of combined delegates by June, and there will be no contest.
6) Just let the people vote and use the popular vote to tally, because it's the most Democratic.
• As of May 5th, 2016, Hillary has 12,432,259 votes and Bernie has 9,299,108
• She has 3,133,151 more votes.
• She wins.
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Welp there you have it.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
Posts: 71,871
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Originally posted by dman4life
One of my FB friends posted this. I thought I should share here:
Democratic Primary 2016 Delegate Math!
Democratic Delegate Math Explained: Regarding a “narrow path to victory” for Senator Sanders, there's been a lot of discussion of possible scenarios, many requiring the current rules be changed. It's worthwhile to see how they’d pan out. Here are 6 scenarios:
1) Current scenario:
• 2,383 delegates wins the nomination.
• Right now: Hillary needs 178 and Bernie 982. There are 1159 total delegates still available.
• Bernie must win 85% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
2) What if the Superdelegates switch, and vote proportionally with the winner of their states?
• Hillary would have 2079 delegates and Bernie 1517. Hillary needs 304 and Bernie needs 866 to win.
• Bernie must win 75% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
3) What if there are no Superdelegates?
• If Superdelegates are eliminated, the new majority of pledged delegates is 2,026.
• Hillary has 1683. Bernie 1362. Hillary needs 343 and Bernie 664.
• There are 933 delegates still available.
• Bernie must win 71% of all remaining delegates to reach the nomination.
4) What if the delegates go winner-takes-all (Republican style)?
• Hillary has won 23 states to Bernie’s 18.
• If winner take all, she gets 2661 delegates and Bernie 893.
• As of May 3, Hillary wins the nomination with 278 extra, and Bernie needs 1490.
• She wins by a landslide before primary voting is even finished.
5) What if there’s a Contested Convention (or Contested Contest)?
• A ‘Contested Convention’ happens when no one has enough delegates to secure the nomination.
• With just 2 people running, a majority will be reached.
• Hillary will have reached a majority of combined delegates by June, and there will be no contest.
6) Just let the people vote and use the popular vote to tally, because it's the most Democratic.
• As of May 5th, 2016, Hillary has 12,432,259 votes and Bernie has 9,299,108
• She has 3,133,151 more votes.
• She wins.
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Actually I don't think number 5 is right.
It is true a contested convention happens when no one reaches enough delegates to secure the nomination. And with two people running a majority of pledged delegates will be reached. The problem is 2,383 delegates to claim the nomination is a number that includes COMBINED delegates. And because superdelegates don't vote until the convention, it is entirely possible that neither Sanders, nor Clinton, reach 2,383 in pledged delegates only, which will signify a contested convention where the superdelegates are then added to the total to get either one over the 2,383 mark.
So a small nuance
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by retromaury
A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for gun violence.
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Uh... no fam. That's not right.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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“I come from a state that has virtually no gun control and it turns out one of the safest states in the country,” Sanders said.
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“People in urban America have got to appreciate that the overwhelming majority of people who hunt know about guns and respect guns, and are law-abiding people; that’s the truth,” Sanders said.
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“People in rural America have got to understand that in an urban area, guns mean something very, very different. There have to be some compromises on both sides, and I don’t apologize for that vote,” Sanders said, referring to his vote on protecting gun manufacturers from being sued.
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“He’s using phrases that the gun extremists and the NRA use, saying things like it’s about people not liking guns,” Laszlo told Al Jazeera America. “He reinforces the idea in people on the other side of the divide that this is about people hating them and people hating guns, and it’s not. This is about safety.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...ti-gun-enough/
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by Marvin
There's no way Hillary Clinton, establishment Democrat, would represent half of the country |
And Bernie ****ing Sanders would!?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 26,488
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Originally posted by Retro
And Bernie ****ing Sanders would!?
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Actually I don't think number 5 is right.
It is true a contested convention happens when no one reaches enough delegates to secure the nomination. And with two people running a majority of pledged delegates will be reached. The problem is 2,383 delegates to claim the nomination is a number that includes COMBINED delegates. And because superdelegates don't vote until the convention, it is entirely possible that neither Sanders, nor Clinton, reach 2,383 in pledged delegates only, which will signify a contested convention where the superdelegates are then added to the total to get either one over the 2,383 mark.
So a small nuance
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I hate the use of the term "contested" on the Democratic side. It really won't be contested, people are just angry about which way the superdelegates will vote, even though Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Retro
And Bernie ****ing Sanders would!?
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by Marvin
Okay but why is she going after their money? Does she not have enough from the DNC?
Let me guess... "why not?"
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Yes honey, "why not?" is indeed the answer you seek. They have loads of money, they don't like their own nominee - why not capitalize on those sources to build an even stronger operation for Hillary, the DNC, and down ticket Democrats? It would be foolish not to seize any opportunity to strengthen our defenses against Donald.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
Posts: 9,806
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Originally posted by Retro
I hate the use of the term "contested" on the Democratic side. It really won't be contested, people are just angry about which way the superdelegates will vote, even though Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates.
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Bernie said he wants his platform to get noticed that's why he's contesting the convention. He wants democrats to adopt his platform. DWS is actually a terrible chair tbqh.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Retro
I hate the use of the term "contested" on the Democratic side. It really won't be contested, people are just angry about which way the superdelegates will vote, even though Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates.
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Whoever has the most pledged delegates should win.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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These Bernie supporters are the new Little Monsters in terms of passive agressive-ness.
Nawt cute.!
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by Adonis
Bernie said he wants his platform to get noticed that's why he's contesting the convention. He wants democrats to adopt his platform. DWS is actually a terrible chair tbqh.
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Originally posted by Adonis
Whoever has the most pledged delegates should win.
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But let's be real here. The platform that Hillary has laid out in 2016 is progressive and strong already - he's not going to change it. The only thing he may influence is getting the DNC and down-ticket candidates to adopt similar principles to himself, Warren, or Clinton (in slightly decreasing order of progressivism).
Hillary will almost certainly have the majority of pledged delegates so this isn't a concern. If she wins the big states as usual it's not possible for Bernie to win; if she loses every single remaining state they all have to be by a landslide for her to not still walk away with more pledged delegates.
The most recent California poll has her up by 19, so it's pretty evident that this race is over.
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