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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Giselle
What the hell do favorables have to do with my post? |
........ he's replying to your comment by giving his own input
The irony of you calling someone dumb 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
That generalization is not completely true. For example, Bernie could learn a lot from HRC's foreign policy if he were the nomination/president.
Speaking of generalizations, HRC supporters seem to be very quick to generalize Bernie supporters as "Bernie Bros" or whatever the choice phrase of the week is. This is not a way to help win over unsure voters for your candidate, especially when HRC herself pretty much insulted the intelligence of younger Bernie supporters. (In fact, HRC supporters usually pull the "we don't want your vote anyway" card. So effective!!!)
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Look its not anyone's job here to help win unsure voters. The only thing people can do is have discussions that may spark a change in individual agency, but ultimately thats always up to the individual. And if that individual doesn't do their own research to either debunk or reinforce whatever discrepancies they may find within a candidate they're unsure of or supporting, then that's on them. Its not anyone else's job to do that for any voting individual, except the candidate and their campaign. If you're not connecting with a candidate then it is what it is!
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by @michael
You're the only person I've ever said that to because I can tell your more anti-Hillary than you are pro-anything so I am definitely not wasting any more campaigning time on that!
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That's totally untrue! My god...the jump to conclusions!  
I'm sorry you've confused my passion behind asking questions and making statements for something else.
But I guess I'm wrong because "you can tell." Ok.
If anything I was looking for someone to stand out and be like "Well, here's why you should vote for her even if you don't want to." Instead I'm met with the above comment, just because I've questioned voting for HRC altogether.
In my opinion, it's better to question and *possibly* not want to vote for someone rather than do it blindly.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
An HRC supporter calling me dumb. *sigh* This seems to happen a lot.
Can't blame you though since Hillary herself called young Bernie supporters dumb.
I hate the "this is the way it's always going to be and there's nothing we can do about it" attitude that people have with the "left or the right" or "Dem or Rep." Why is that so important? I just don't get it. (Probably an opening to be called dumb again but oh well).
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Even Bernie thinks having a party label is important since he suddenly became a Democrat last year.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by @michael
And Bernie's favorability ratings keep slipping with each passing week. It's the cost of being a highly-known public figure.
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p. sure is still better than most candidates
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by Eros
Look its not anyone's job here to help win unsure voters. The only thing people can do is have discussions that may spark a change in individual agency, but ultimately thats always up to the individual. And if that individual doesn't do their own research to either debunk or reinforce whatever discrepancies they may find within a candidate they're unsure of or supporting, then that's on them. Its not anyone else's job to do that for any voting individual, except the candidate and their campaign. If you're not connecting with a candidate then it is what it is!
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I get that, but I thought I'd get some decent insight aside from "listen, do you want Trump to be President?"
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Well sorry for the "jump to conclusions" BUT your initial post did seem condescending as hell, which is why it solicited so many defensive responses from so many different members. You can say that's not how you meant to come off, but that's clearly how many people felt.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by @michael
Even Bernie thinks having a party label is important since he suddenly became a Democrat last year.
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he's using the platform to point out how there's little diversity in the first place
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by @michael
Even Bernie thinks having a party label is important since he suddenly became a Democrat last year.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by @michael
Even Bernie thinks having a party label is important since he suddenly became a Democrat last year.
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This always gets me. Just joined the party, complains about its practices, and then tries to sue it while arguing about how the super delegates should support him. BYE.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by ALIEN
p. sure is still better than most candidates
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Missing the point. As he becomes known for what he really is (if media actually starts reporting foxay's many receipts), his numbers will tank to the bottom of the barrel like everyone else's. There's a reason Kasich and Sanders have the highest numbers; they both get very little scrutiny in the media!
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
An HRC supporter calling me dumb. *sigh* This seems to happen a lot.
Can't blame you though since Hillary herself called young Bernie supporters dumb.
I hate the "this is the way it's always going to be and there's nothing we can do about it" attitude that people have with the "left or the right" or "Dem or Rep." Why is that so important? I just don't get it. (Probably an opening to be called dumb again but oh well).
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It's important because chances are your ideals lie closer to the ones of either the left or the right 
It's an unfortunate truth but unless you have about 40 million people willing to do so, voting 3rd party or refraining will only help the party further from your ideals. There's too much at stake to do something like that. It's plain irresponsible.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by @michael
Well sorry for the "jump to conclusions" BUT your initial post did seem condescending as hell, which is why it solicited so many defensive responses from so many different members. You can say that's not how you meant to come off, but that's clearly how many people felt.
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Condescending as hell???
I literally asked a question and then said "this makes me want to ____" in my initial post. I never even alleged I was taking any certain action.
I even only said "Probably" when referring to money being a reason when asking "Why" about the super delegates.
The only condescending thing I said was "So Over Her," but I didn't realize that would hit such a nerve???
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by ALIEN
he's using the platform to point out how there's little diversity in the first place
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The Democratic Party has been the most diverse party since the days of FDR. It's always been a huge coalition of varying degrees of liberalism and leftism. Don't know where you came up with that line!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
I get that, but I thought I'd get some decent insight aside from "listen, do you want Trump to be President?"
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And in my opinion, there's plenty of insight in this thread all throughout that goes beyond Trump.
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I love how young people are pissed about Hillary making a comment on young voter mentality, at large, and then the some of their reactions are, "**** her!! If Bernie doesn't get it, I'm voting Trump!! #BernieOrBUST"
All that does is prove her point that young people, at large, do not have political maturity, and I am a young person, but I can see that. The surge of Bernie Or Bust is fact enough of that. Elections are not the time to be selfish and vote to make your heart feel good about itself. You have to think of the country and the world at large. Your feelings do not matter at the end of the day, and if we end up with President Trump as a result, then our entire generation will go into history books as the ones responsible for the worst president in history and I'd rather not have that on my conscious.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Giselle
It's important because chances are your ideals lie closer to the ones of either the left or the right
It's an unfortunate truth but unless you have about 40 million people willing to do so, voting 3rd party or refraining will only help the party further from your ideals. There's too much at stake to do something like that. It's plain irresponsible. |
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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Originally posted by ALIEN
........ he's replying to your comment by giving his own input
The irony of you calling someone dumb |
Anybody can quote anything with "input". I'm asking what that input had to do with what I was talking about.
Sit down.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Bloo
I love how young people are pissed about Hillary making a comment on young voter mentality, at large, and then the some of their reactions are, "**** her!! If Bernie doesn't get it, I'm voting Trump!! #BernieOrBUST"
All that does is prove her point that young people, at large, do not have political maturity, and I am a young person, but I can see that. The surge of Bernie Or Bust is fact enough of that. Elections are not the time to be selfish and vote to make your heart feel good about itself. You have to think of the country and the world at large. Your feelings do not matter at the end of the day, and if we end up with President Trump as a result, then our entire generation will go into history books as the ones responsible for the worst president in history and I'd rather not have that on my conscious.
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The thought sends shivers down my spine 
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