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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Energy
What are the possible negative scenarios in regards to domestic policies, the economy, foreign policy etc if Bernie Sanders becomes president, in you all's personal opinions?
I'm getting more and more into this election and the more I'm learning, the less I am here for him. 
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I think that Sanders' inexperience with foreign policy could potentially lead to some poor decisions with regards to U.S. involvement the Crimean and Syrian conflicts. That being said, I believe that he is an intelligent leader that, as he becomes more informed about international relations, will be able to make sound foreign policy decisions for the nation if elected.
I also think that the process of implementing free college/instituting new taxes on corporate America will take a while, and during that time there will obviously be a lot of conflict between Wall Street and the government. This isn't a new thing, though, and I think Sanders knows what he's up against in his fight for the working class. Truth be told, I am not very well-educated on how Wall Street works yet, so I'm not going to elaborate here.
I definitely don't think that he'll be able to achieve everything he is setting out for during his time in office if he gets it (which is a common reason people don't want to elect a president- because they can't get anything done), but I think he'd be able to make more progress than some people think.
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Originally posted by Aiden
I don't know about possible scenarios but he has an incredibly low amount of foreign policy experience compared to his experience with social issues. That is what bothers me most about his following and social media, they rally behind Bernie because of what ha has done and can possibly do for social policy.
Social issues are important but so are economic and foreign policy issues. Hillary offers experience in all three, while Bernie "breaking the banks" and his little foreign policy will not help u.s
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Not to mention that foreign policy/affairs is arguably the most important part of the presidency! The economy and social issues are obviously important, but those are mainly things that have to go through legislative processes. Foreign affairs are all up to the presidency.
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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Originally posted by @michael
Not to mention that foreign policy/affairs is arguably the most important part of the presidency! The economy and social issues are obviously important, but those are mainly things that have to go through legislative processes. Foreign affairs are all up to the presidency.
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If I am also not mistaken, foreign policy is one of the few areas Congress can't do much to stop a president from acting upon. Another thing about Bernie is that he has great social policy ideas but if a majority of Congress doesn't turn blue later this year, his efforts will be futile.
Hillary not being so a far left could help her work with a divided Congress.
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Originally posted by Venus Temple
I do the same thing omg..  90% of the people around me hate her so I have to be ready to drag. So many posts by Retro, Giselle, @Michael, RatedG.  Thanks for the tea you guys, I always am sure to pass it to the uneducated around me 
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Wait @ Bernie now bringing up super predators. His negative smearing is getting out of hand
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Venus Temple
I do the same thing omg..  90% of the people around me hate her so I have to be ready to drag. So many posts by Retro, Giselle, @Michael, RatedG.  Thanks for the tea you guys, I always am sure to pass it to the uneducated around me 
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Just now saw this shout out!
Love my fellow Hens so much 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Wait @ Bernie now bringing up super predators. His negative smearing is getting out of hand
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Jeff Weaver has got to go. I know he's the one that's pushing him in this direction. Sad!
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This graph shows perfectly why Bernie is losing. His campaign should have worked a lot harder to reduce those margins in TX, FL and GA. Those three states alone account for 85% of Hillary's lead.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Aiden
If I am also not mistaken, foreign policy is one of the few areas Congress can't do much to stop a president from acting upon. Another thing about Bernie is that he has great social policy ideas but if a majority of Congress doesn't turn blue later this year, his efforts will be futile.
Hillary not being so a far left could help her work with a divided Congress.
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So glad we're on the same page about this  Bernie's lack of foreign policy knowledge (and his lack of even showing interest in the subject) is the one thing I keep going back to that scares me about him potentially becoming president.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Wait @ Bernie now bringing up super predators. His negative smearing is getting out of hand
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Bernie is trying to call out Bill for the crime Bill but he voted for it too 
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Originally posted by geo
This graph shows perfectly why Bernie is losing. His campaign should have worked a lot harder to reduce those margins in TX, FL and GA. Those three states alone account for 85% of Hillary's lead.
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Yeah, their admission that they didn't want to win those states was pretty damning. They basically just gave up on huge swaths of the population. Like, yeah, Hillary didn't try in Idaho, Alaska, or Wyoming, but that's because they are Idaho, Alaska, and Wyoming  It's not the same as ignoring Texas, Florida, and Georgia.
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As I was telling Rated the other day, Bernie's combined net delegates from his Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii and Wyoming wins was 53 delegates. Hillary netted 68 delegates in Florida alone. 
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My concerns about Bernie were originally rooted in his foreign policy. Hillary's involvement around the world as a global advocate is a lot more important. Sasha. said it was "just a bonus" and asked "why does it matter of Bernie has helped women around the world?". It matters greatly. Women are half of the population, so it only makes sense to help them. But Hillary and Chelsea have spoken on how when talking about this, you can't simply speak from a moral point of view because oddly enough it doesn't connect with people (as Sasha proved) so let me speak from an economic basis. Hillary has not just given a few cute speeches about girl power, she has done important, sustainable work. The things she has pushed for will stabilize economies. When women advance, are educated, are given adequate health treatments, they are more likely to enter the workforce and add to the GDP. Girls are much more likely to enter the workforce when they aren't put into child marriages, something Hillary was very serious about during her time as Secretary. She has also been a proponent of agricultural growth in places like Africa, again, a key in helping their economies and adding to the GPD. Bernie wants to take our troops out of Afghanistan, one of the WORST places for women on the planet. Major lack of education and one of the capitals of child marriages. Again, when we advance the people of these countries we help them become sufficient on their own so that at some point they won't need our help. Leaving the region would be a ridiculous idea and would be extremely detrimental to maybe even the entire Middle East. Helping women isn't just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do. Now whether you care about people outside of the US/Western World is up to you but I do and I also care about how much we are participating in our world, we are the center of it, after all.
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Originally posted by @michael
As I was telling Rated the other day, Bernie's combined net delegates from his Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii and Wyoming wins was 53 delegates. Hillary netted 68 delegates in Florida alone. 
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Also, as a reminder, Bernie didn't net any delegates out of Wyoming.
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Originally posted by @michael
Yeah, their admission that they didn't want to win those states was pretty damning. They basically just gave up on huge swaths of the population. Like, yeah, Hillary didn't try in Idaho, Alaska, or Wyoming, but that's because they are Idaho, Alaska, and Wyoming  It's not the same as ignoring Texas, Florida, and Georgia.
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They lied. He did try in those states. He had many rallies and even debated in Florida. He was just routed so they panned out the excuse of not trying (which isn't good)
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Originally posted by Giselle
My concerns about Bernie were originally rooted in his foreign policy. Hillary's involvement around the world as a global advocate is a lot more important. Sasha. said it was "just a bonus" and asked "why does it matter of Bernie has helped women around the world?". It matters greatly. Women are half of the population, so it only makes sense to help them. But Hillary and Chelsea have spoken on how when talking about this, you can't simply speak from a moral point of view because oddly enough it doesn't connect with people (as Sasha proved) so let me speak from an economic basis. Hillary has not just given a few cute speeches about girl power, she has done important, sustainable work. The things she has pushed for will stabilize economies. When women advance, are educated, are given adequate health treatments, they are more likely to enter the workforce and add to the GDP. Girls are much more likely to enter the workforce when they aren't put into child marriages, something Hillary was very serious about during her time as Secretary. She has also been a proponent of agricultural growth in places like Africa, again, a key in helping their economies and adding to the GPD. Bernie wants to take our troops out of Afghanistan, one of the WORST places for women on the planet. Major lack of education and one of the capitals of child marriages. Again, when we advance the people of these countries we help them become sufficient on their own so that at some point they won't need our help. Leaving the region would be a ridiculous idea and would be extremely detrimental to maybe even the entire Middle East. Helping women isn't just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do. Now whether you care about people outside of the US/Western World is up to you but I do and I also care about how much we are participating in our world, we are the center of it, after all.
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Great post, Giselle  We must lift up women throughout the world. It's the only way to save the world IMO.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
They lied. He did try in those states. He had many rallies and even debated in Florida. He was just routed so they panned out the excuse of not trying (which isn't good)
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It's just Sad! all around on their part.  I never would have expected this sort of campaign from him back in October.
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Originally posted by Giselle
My concerns about Bernie were originally rooted in his foreign policy. Hillary's involvement around the world as a global advocate is a lot more important. Sasha. said it was "just a bonus" and asked "why does it matter of Bernie has helped women around the world?". It matters greatly. Women are half of the population, so it only makes sense to help them. But Hillary and Chelsea have spoken on how when talking about this, you can't simply speak from a moral point of view because oddly enough it doesn't connect with people (as Sasha proved) so let me speak from an economic basis. Hillary has not just given a few cute speeches about girl power, she has done important, sustainable work. The things she has pushed for will stabilize economies. When women advance, are educated, are given adequate health treatments, they are more likely to enter the workforce and add to the GDP. Girls are much more likely to enter the workforce when they aren't put into child marriages, something Hillary was very serious about during her time as Secretary. She has also been a proponent of agricultural growth in places like Africa, again, a key in helping their economies and adding to the GPD. Bernie wants to take our troops out of Afghanistan, one of the WORST places for women on the planet. Major lack of education and one of the capitals of child marriages. Again, when we advance the people of these countries we help them become sufficient on their own so that at some point they won't need our help. Leaving the region would be a ridiculous idea and would be extremely detrimental to maybe even the entire Middle East. Helping women isn't just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do. Now whether you care about people outside of the US/Western World is up to you but I do and I also care about how much we are participating in our world, we are the center of it, after all.
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I agree... But how has that been working out?
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Originally posted by RatedG²
They lied. He did try in those states. He had many rallies and even debated in Florida. He was just routed so they panned out the excuse of not trying (which isn't good)
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Giving me door to door salesman who gets the door in his face teas 
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Originally posted by @michael
Great post, Giselle  We must lift up women throughout the world. It's the only way to save the world IMO.
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And this, right here! People fail to realize that this type of work is literally what saves the world  Advancing women in societies plays a major part in reducing unnecessary death rates, infant mortality, adds to the economy in major ways etc
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