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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Marvin
BOO HOO
No one but HillaryBots care, get over it
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It's hard to use "Not me. US" when you say things like that and don't care about the larger party.  
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
The most Obama compromised was keeping the Bush tax cuts in exchange of allowing for extending unemployment benefits. Obama didn't compromise must else, mostly because the Republicans did not want to. The Tea Party really screwed us all over.
Compromise should not be seen as a dirty word. Sometimes it is the only way to make progress. Teddy Roosevelt, FDR and LBJ wanted much bigger reforms, but they had to compromise. The way the constitution is set up favors the status and inherently makes progress hard. Generally, only incremental progress has worked in this country.  |
He kept Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense because THAT'S what the Republicans wanted. Instead of trying to push through a single payer healthcare system, he took the Republican-promoted individual mandate but the GOP refused to even accept that and instead Mitch McConnell comes out and says that the 'most important objective for the Republican party is to make Obama a one term president'. Obama extends the Bush tax cuts and compromises on the 2010 budget deal and what do the Republicans do in return? They delay all of his judicial nominees at an unprecedented rate. In 2013, Obama compromised on a “fiscal cliff” deal by raising the threshold of the income level for who would get a tax increase from $250,000 to $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for families and pushing back sequestration of funds given to the military.
There's only so much compromise you can do if the other side refuses to actually compromise....they're sole goal was to make him a one term president per Mitch McConell's own words...good thing they didnt succeed.
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Originally posted by geo
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Also, Democrats Abroad was only open to Americans living in the UK. Although, I would think that British people in general would agree with Bernie more since his policies are more aligned with theirs, i.e. single payer healthcare. On the other hand, perhaps they only care about American foreign policy?
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
He kept Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense because THAT'S what the Republicans wanted. Instead of trying to push through a single payer healthcare system, he took the Republican-promoted individual mandate but the GOP refused to even accept that and instead Mitch McConnell comes out and says that the 'most important objective for the Republican party is to make Obama a one term president'. Obama extends the Bush tax cuts and compromises on the 2010 budget deal and what do the Republicans do in return? They delay all of his judicial nominees at an unprecedented rate. In 2013, Obama compromised on a “fiscal cliff” deal by raising the threshold of the income level for who would get a tax increase from $250,000 to $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for families and pushing back sequestration of funds given to the military.
There's only so much compromise you can do if the other side refuses to actually compromise....they're sole goal was to make him a one term president per Mitch McConell's own words...good thing they didnt succeed.
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When did he ever try to push single payer? You make it seem like Obamacare was a compromise from single payer? He didn't campaign for single payer; he campaigned for Obamacare. We got almost exactly what he promised when he campaigned. Except for the public option, which was mostly caused by Democrats not being united.
I already mentioned the Bush tax cuts.
Appointing Robert Gates was Obama's own decision, much like appointing Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. Maybe he wanted to build consensus or maybe he was exaggerating his foreign policy differences with them before.
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
There's only so much compromise you can do if the other side refuses to actually compromise....they're sole goal was to make him a one term president per Mitch McConell's own words...good thing they didnt succeed.
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Is that why Bernie when the Democrats Abroad vote in the UK? Interesting?  |
Democrats Abroad are US Citizens not UK Citizens
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
When did he ever try to push single payer? You make it seem like Obamacare was a compromise from single payer? He didn't campaign for single payer; he campaigned for Obamacare. We got almost exactly what he promised when he campaigned. Except for the public option, which was mostly caused by Democrats not being united.
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The liberal position is single payer and that was Obama's initial position early on in the campaign but my point is, Obamacare is pretty much the same plan as Romney's healthcare plan instituted when he was Governor. More importantly, it included the Republican's long standing support for an individual mandate but because Obama was the one introducing the legislation, they refused to support even that much.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Is that why Bernie when the Democrats Abroad vote in the UK? Interesting? |
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In an unprecedented turnout, up 50% from 2008, 34,570 voters cast their ballots from over 170 countries all around the world
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seriously? 34,000 is a miniscule amount compared to the population of the UK, and not all of those votes even come from the UK. : P ridiculous
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I mean the Republicans shut down the damn government for Gods sake who the hell does that smh
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
I mean the Republicans shut down the damn government for Gods sake who the hell does that smh
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I remember that  . All to "prove a point"
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Can we just fast forward to November... Ugh I hate primary season
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I remember that . All to "prove a point" |
the worst part is that it came after the Dems compromised and passed the terrible Ryan budget deal to AVOID a government shutdown
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
Can we just fast forward to November... Ugh I hate primary season
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*June
I do not wanna miss the Hillary vs. Donald debates.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Also, Democrats Abroad was only open to Americans living in the UK. Although, I would think that British people in general would agree with Bernie more since his policies are more aligned with theirs, i.e. single payer healthcare. On the other hand, perhaps they only care about American foreign policy? |
You'd be right that some of Bernie's policies would be popular here, like healthcare. He'd probably be seen as a centre-left candidate if he was running here, but he's way too far to the left on things like welfare and immigration for most Brits. And free tuition, well fees here are only going up and cutting them completely isn't even on the agenda 
It's also become a very popular opinion following the recession that only conservatives and moderates can run a strong economy so someone like Bernie definitely would not be trusted in that regard.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Also, Democrats Abroad was only open to Americans living in the UK. Although, I would think that British people in general would agree with Bernie more since his policies are more aligned with theirs, i.e. single payer healthcare.
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Apparently not. 
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G20 SURVEY
The World Wants Hillary
BY CHRISTOPHER CERMAK
A global survey of G20 countries, commissioned exclusively for Handelsblatt, asked how their people would vote if they could take part in this year’s U.S. election. Hillary Clinton trumped the competition.
What if the rest of the world had a say in the U.S. presidential elections? Their votes may not count, but that hasn’t stopped others from asking.
It turns out that Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton can count on the support of 18 of the world’s 20 leading industrial nations if the world could vote in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections. Republican frontrunner Donald Trump gets top billing from just one country’s people: Russia.
Surprisingly, neither candidate can count on the support of their home country – at least not if the U.S. election were a free-for-all where people could vote for multiple candidates from each party. That honor goes instead to Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont and self-described “democratic socialist” who is challenging Ms. Clinton for the Democratic party’s presidential nomination.
Those are the findings of a new opinion poll released Tuesday, commissioned by Handelsblatt and conducted by YouGov, which asked 20,000 people across the world’s 20 leading economies, the bloc known as the G20, who their favorite is among the current crop of candidates running for U.S. president.
Ms. Clinton wins the overall poll by a landslide, with 35 percent of G20 voters picking the U.S. Democratic party’s leading candidate. A former first lady, Ms. Clinton also served as a New York senator and U.S. secretary of state for four years under President Barack Obama.
Her support is biggest in countries such as Mexico, Italy, Germany and Brazil. In Mexico, she even received more than 50 percent of votes.
Mr. Trump, the populist billionaire who has drawn condemnation from a number of international politicians for his outspoken stances on immigration and Muslims, finds himself in a distant second place globally with just 9 percent of the vote.
The only country that would settle for Mr. Trump is Russia, whose president Vladimir Putin has praised the Republican candidate as a “bright and talented person” and the clear front runner to win the Republican party’s presidential nomination. Mr. Trump has returned the favor, praising Mr. Putin for garnering the respect of his own people.
As a result, 31 percent of Russian citizens said they would vote for Mr. Trump if given the chance. That’s twice as many as any other country and compares to just 10 percent for Ms. Clinton. His next most popular countries were South Africa, Canada and the United States.
Just 2 percent of Mexicans voted for Mr. Trump, who has vowed to build a “great wall” along the U.S.-Mexican border.
Mr. Sanders, who is giving Ms. Clinton a run for her money in the Demoratic primaries, came in third globally with 7 percent
https://global.handelsblatt.com/edit...-wants-hillary.
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If Hillary wins I do think the GOP will work with her more than they have with Obama if for no other reason then that they might actually finally realize that being the most useless and incompetent congress in recent memory has completely damaged the Republican brand
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Originally posted by Moonchild
Bernie wants a "political revolution," which is fine, but my issue is that he's going to war with the very "establishment" that he needs for the revolution to happen. Hillary is party-building and helping Democratic candidates get elected. She's raised tens of millions of dollars ($26.9 million, last I saw) for the Democratic Party. Donations to the Hillary Victory Fund go to the DNC and state Democratic Parties, too.
Bernie has raised precisely $1,000 for the Democrats.  He's suing the DNC over a punishment that resulted from the actions of his campaign staffers. He's demonizing the Democratic establishment at every rally when he'll need them to make his agenda happen. He's asking his supporters to start a political revolution, but hasn't done much himself to get Democrats elected. |
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
If Hillary wins I do think the GOP will work with her more than they have with Obama if for no other reason then that they might actually finally realize that being the most useless and incompetent congress in recent memory has completely damaged the Republican brand
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I'm hoping if it's Hill vs Trump that he ****s up the chances of many republican congressmen and congresswomen from being re elected
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I'm hoping if it's Hill vs Trump that he ****s up the chances of many republican congressmen and congresswomen from being re elected
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I think that and the Republicans refusing to even hold a hearing for Obama's Supreme Court nominee might just do it
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
The liberal position is single payer and that was Obama's initial position early on in the campaign but my point is, Obamacare is pretty much the same plan as Romney's healthcare plan instituted when he was Governor. More importantly, it included the Republican's long standing support for an individual mandate but because Obama was the one introducing the legislation, they refused to support even that much.
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Receipts. I don't remember Obama ever saying single payer.
Single payer is the far left position, moreso in 2008 than now.
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