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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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He's not even a Democrat.  I don't understand why he gets to jump in to use the party's system and then start complaining about it, as if he has been a part of the party for years.
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Why are they still doing national polls when half of the country has already voted?  They need to do statewide polls but I guess that would be more expensive.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by MiaBella
He's not even a Democrat. I don't understand why he gets to jump in to use the party's system and then start complaining about it, as if he has been a part of the party for years. |
Actually, Bernie has been a Democrat since 2015, and something less than half of all Democratic primary voters want him to get the Democratic presidential nomination.
So he's like... factually a Democrat, I know it might not please you, but he is. Just because he wasn't two years ago, doesn't mean he isn't now. The Democratic voters LOVE him. Even the ones who are voting/supporting the Secretary still admire him.
So he's a Democrat, and he can/will speak up when he thinks there's something wrong with his party, the Democratic party (which he's part of). You could not have ever been more wrong about this, I do not think it's possible.
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The thing is, Hillary fans are rational. They would vote for Bernie over Trump any day of the week. Do you know why? Because Hillary fans are concerned with more than just increasing the minimum wage and taxing Wall Street. They actually care about equality. They care about women's rights. They care about immigrants and their right to citizenship. They care about so many issues. Whereas, as exemplified by many Bernie fans saying they would vote for Trump over Hillary, they only seem to care about a couple of economic issues. They obviously don't care about racism, bigotry, women's rights, immigrant rights, and so many other issues if they would vote for Trump over Hillary.
Listen, don't tell me you're a progressive then say you're going to vote for Trump. No, you must have very liberal economic and fiscal views, but have extremely right wing views concerning everything else.
Don't tell me you care about a woman's right to choose what she does with her body, and then say you're going to vote for Trump. Don't tell me you give a **** about immigrants and their families, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell you me you care about racial equality and systemic racism, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell me you care about Gay rights, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell me you think Islamophobia is wrong, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell me that you don't want another war, and then vote for Trump. Don't tell me you want free education, and then vote for Trump.
I have absolutely NO respect for anyone who is voting for Trump. NONE. As far as I'm concerned, voting for Trump is illustrating your compliance and agreement with the views expressed by Trump. It actually says more about you than it does about him.
The idea that you can go from someone who is as diplomatic, loving, caring, and deeply sensitive to foreign issues as Bernie Sanders; to someone the complete opposite, is unequivocally obscene and nonsensical. It shows that you only care about money, nothing else. That's why Hillary's accusation that Bernie is a one issue candidate is ringing more true by the day, especially where his fans are concerned.
Don't tell me you're not a xenophobic, racist, fascist, and morally corrupt person, but then vote for Trump.
This is why Bernie does better in the national polls. Because so many of them care about ONE thing. Whereas, Hillary supporters care about so much more, hence they say they would vote for Bernie. It's not that hard to understand.
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Take a shot every time you read the word Trump in my last post.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Actually, Bernie has been a Democrat since 2015, and something less than half of all Democratic primary voters want him to get the Democratic presidential nomination.
So he's like... factually a Democrat, I know it might not please you, but he is. Just because he wasn't two years ago, doesn't mean he isn't now. The Democratic voters LOVE him. Even the ones who are voting/supporting the Secretary still admire him.
So he's a Democrat, and he can/will speak up when he thinks there's something wrong with his party, the Democratic party (which he's part of). You could not have ever been more wrong about this, I do not think it's possible.
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And now it's 2016. This proves everything I said. He just jumped into the party so he could get more visibility and support to run for POTUS. That is it. And I have nothing against Bernie, I'm just over his team and his supporters acting like jackasses when they don't get what they want. I know so many people who sit around and talk **** about Hillary, but didn't even get up to go vote for Bernie and aren't even registered to vote. Like, stop.
When the election is over, how much longer do you think he's going to stay affiliated with the Democratic party. He wants to use their platform, all the while bitching about their platform.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
The thing is, Hillary fans are rational. They would vote for Bernie over Trump any day of the week. Do you know why? Because Hillary fans are concerned with more than just increasing the minimum wage and taxing Wall Street. They actually care about equality. They care about women's rights. They care about immigrants and their right to citizenship. They care about so many issues. Whereas, as exemplified by many Bernie fans saying they would vote for Trump over Hillary, they only seem to care about a couple of economic issues. They obviously don't care about racism, bigotry, women's rights, immigrant rights, and so many other issues if they would vote for Trump over Hillary.
Listen, don't tell me you're a progressive then say you're going to vote for Trump. No, you must have very liberal economic and fiscal views, but have extremely right wing views concerning everything else.
Don't tell me you care about a woman's right to choose what she does with her body, and then say you're going to vote for Trump. Don't tell me you give a **** about immigrants and their families, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell you me you care about racial equality and systemic racism, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell me you care about Gay rights, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell me you think Islamophobia is wrong, and then say you're voting for Trump. Don't tell me that you don't want another war, and then vote for Trump. Don't tell me you want free education, and then vote for Trump.
I have absolutely NO respect for anyone who is voting for Trump. NONE. As far as I'm concerned, voting for Trump is illustrating your compliance and agreement with the views expressed by Trump. It actually says more about you than it does about him.
The idea that you can go from someone who is as diplomatic, loving, caring, and deeply sensitive to foreign issues as Bernie Sanders; to someone the complete opposite, is unequivocally obscene and nonsensical. It shows that you only care about money, nothing else. That's why Hillary's accusation that Bernie is a one issue candidate is ringing more true by the day, especially where his fans are concerned.
Don't tell me you're not a xenophobic, racist, fascist, and morally corrupt person, but then vote for Trump.
This is why Bernie does better in the national polls. Because so many of them care about ONE thing. Whereas, Hillary supporters care about so much more, hence they say they would vote for Bernie. It's not that hard to understand. |
This whole post is tea. Hotly brewed, freshly served tea. They hear free this, free that, tax this, tax those and they get amped. They don't look at the bigger picture. I haven't came across one decent argument that would explain why Trump would be a better POTUS than Hillary. It's Bernie or bust for some, it's just beyond childish and petty.
November is going to be a month filled with fumes. And a part of me wants to be petty and wants Trump to win so I can run around yelling I told you so.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by MiaBella
And now it's 2016. This proves everything I said. He just jumped into the party so he could get more visibility and support to run for POTUS. That is it. And I have nothing against Bernie, I'm just over his team and his supporters acting like jackasses when they don't get what they want. I know so many people who sit around and talk **** about Hillary, but didn't even get up to go vote for Bernie and aren't even registered to vote. Like, stop.
When the election is over, how much longer do you think he's going to stay affiliated with the Democratic party. He wants to use their platform, all the while bitching about their platform.
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This is the problem. He's continuously eroding the Democratic Party from the inside out. Yesterday on TYT, Bernie said that for Hillary to get his endorsement, she would have to agree to very strict terms and policies. In other words, he's not a Democrat at all. He's an Independent who has merely used the Democratic platform to his advantage. However, whilst he is looking for a political revolution, all it's doing is destroying the Democratic Party's reputation. How many times have we heard 'establishment' this election season? I can't even begin to count. Now many people equate the Democratic Pary with this evil sorority called the 'establishment'. I mean, it's just so funny. That's another reason why Bernie fans would vote for Trump, because they have some bizarre belief that Trump is an outsider. Ha. He's the biggest insider in this election. He knows almost every politician and as worked with them all at one point or another.
To be fair, I don't know how he could go from literally tearing her apart and calling her untrustworthy, to endorsing her. It would be disengenuous.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
This is the problem. He's continuously eroding the Democratic Party from the inside out. Yesterday on TYT, Bernie said that for Hillary to get his endorsement, she would have to agree to very strict terms and policies. In other words, he's not a Democrat at all. He's an Independent who has merely used the Democratic platform to his advantage. However, whilst he is looking for a political revolution, all it's doing is destroying the Democratic Party's reputation. How many times have we heard 'establishment' this election season? I can't even begin to count. Now many people equate the Democratic Pary with this evil sorority called the 'establishment'. I mean, it's just so funny. That's another reason why Bernie fans would vote for Trump, because they have some bizarre belief that Trump is an outsider. Ha. He's the biggest insider in this election. He knows almost every politician and as worked with them all at one point or another.
To be fair, I don't know how he could go from literally tearing her apart and calling her untrustworthy, to endorsing her. It would be disengenuous.
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If I were Hillary, I would calmly show Bernie the exit and have him shown to the left once she wins the nomination. He is too petty. The fact that he would rather attack Hillary so vehemently instead of focusing on tearing into the already crumbling GOP says a lot. I don't know why they think they're in any position to try to leverage conditions. The fact is that Hillary doesn't need Bernie's support. She has much bigger team players in her circle. Bernie got rich and gathered an indie like following. Good for him. Now, time to move on and let go.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
The thing is, Hillary fans are rational. They would vote for Bernie over Trump any day of the week. Do you know why? Because Hillary fans are concerned with more than just increasing the minimum wage and taxing Wall Street. |
Stopped reading here. So is Bernie.
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Member Since: 9/10/2011
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Originally posted by HeyMr.DJ
I'm honestly so sick of it. It's time for Bernie's supporters to get over themeselves. Like, I'm done hearing what that have to say about how Hillary's a liar, she's the establishment, she's weak, she did this wrong, that wrong and blah blah blah. Listen, I'm sorry your candidate (Bernie) is losing, but why do you have to take it out on the other democratic candidate?
Obviously Americans feel better with having someone who actually has legitimate experience in foreign policy and getting things done, so why do Bernie supporters act like Hillary's the devil? Only pointing out negatives about her? Not even taking the time to do some research and discover all of the amazing things she has accomplished.
You don't have to like her, but it sickens me when I have to tell one of my friends that they are wrong. I do it all the time, since many of my friends are uneducated and think that because Bernie's "gonna give us free college" we should vote for him. No, no, no..... Free college is not realistic and there are bigger things at stake.
So Bernie supporters, stop being so egocentric and realize that trying to come up with excuses (ala Arizona voting) isn't going to make Bernie win, it'll only make you seem selfish. Come June, Hillary is going to be our nominee and you are going to see that that's how it should be. That is all.
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While i agree with some of what you said. Free College is absolutely realistic, just look at northern european countries like Finland, they have absolutely no tuition fees, in fact for certain stages and under certain conditions they get paid to study. And this includes everything from children daycare to higher academic degrees.
Of course the situation is completely different than in the states, especially tax wise, but it isn't completely unrealistic.
Also just a side note (unrelated to the quoted post), as someone from Switzerland (aka the island of democracy in central europe) I feel as if voter suppression and election fraud NEED to be taken seriously. No matter who benefits from it and who doesn't. The thing from Arizona has made the news here and usually they only talk about Trump. Again, different situations, but the right to vote should always be a priority in my eyes and it is not acceptable for anyone to be denied that right (provided they meet the requirements and registered correctly of course) and it should be looked into, even for future elections.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by MiaBella
He's not even a Democrat. I don't understand why he gets to jump in to use the party's system and then start complaining about it, as if he has been a part of the party for years. |
Anyone can run for the Democrat nomination if they have support from the primary voters, which anyone can can register as a Democrat. This is how modern parties change and adjust to new times.
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Ted Cruz claims that he is "on the verge of winning the Republican nomination" in an audio message to supporters. 
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Anyone can run for the Democrat nomination if they have support from the primary voters, which anyone can can register as a Democrat. This is how modern parties change and adjust to new times.
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That's not my point. Bernie only adjusted to run on the Dem. platform, even though he doesn't like the party. He won't be a Democrat after the election is over. Watch. He's using their platform. No other argument made will suggest otherwise to me.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by MiaBella
That's not my point. Bernie only adjusted to run on the Dem. platform, even though he doesn't like the party. He won't be a Democrat after the election is over. Watch. He's using their platform. No other argument made will suggest otherwise to me.
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He likes the party, but he doesn't like everything about the party.
If there wasn't a stupid two-party system he wouldn't have to run as one.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by @michael
I love seeing conservatives get so mad about Obama continuing his Latin America trip after the Brussels attack. They are outraged They don't realize that Obama is never running for election again so he does not give a **** what they think. |
they stay overreacting lol reminds me of when they were calling for Obama to STOP the Iran nuclear deal after those US Navy members were held by Iranians EVEN though Kerry was in constant contact with the Iranians and they assured him that they would be released soon
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by MiaBella
That's not my point. Bernie only adjusted to run on the Dem. platform, even though he doesn't like the party. He won't be a Democrat after the election is over. Watch. He's using their platform. No other argument made will suggest otherwise to me.
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He did run for the Democratic nomination in 2006 for US Senate. After he won he rejected the nomination to run as an independent, that way assuring he didn't have a Democrat running against him. It would be interesting and kind of devious if he did the same thing this year, assuming if he got the nomination.
Anyways, he has caucused with Democrats and accepted Democratic Campaign money. Yeah, he's using the platform, because he knows we are in a two party system. He's trying to change the party. You may think he's hijacking the party, but others think he is saving it, bringing it back to what it was before.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
He did run for the Democratic nomination in 2006 for US Senate. After he won he rejected the nomination to run as an independent, that way assuring he didn't have a Democrat running against him. It would be interesting and kind of devious if he did the same thing this year, assuming if he got the nomination.
Anyways, he has caucused with Democrats and accepted Democratic Campaign money. Yeah, he's using the platform, because he knows we are in a two party system. He's trying to change the party. You may think he's hijacking the party, but others think he is saving it, bringing it back to what it was before.
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omg did he really do that? Wow he's...that's just low. No wonder democrats don't really use him
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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At this point, I'm just enjoying the train wreck Bernie is, being exposed for the real conniving, liar, communist he is.
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