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Movie: Batman v Superman | out on DVD/BluRay now
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Originally posted by BnPac
Yo know what, when I was in the theater, I kept thinking "ugh why do the actions' scenes look so much like a Michael Bay's movie".  |
At least you could tell what tf was going on in BvS. I hated the camera work in the first few Transformers movies.
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Lol nobody ever had a problem with mature
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People have a problem with 'dark' Superman. A solo Bat film with an identical tone wouldn't have garnered nearly as much fuss let's be real here.
This film is realistic in that modern society's pervading cynicism took its toll on someone like (an admittedly over emotional) Kal trying to do his best to make the world a better place. Boy Scout wouldn't have remained a boy scout in this day and age.
His farewell quote to Lois right before he goes off to face Batman sums up the whole deal nicely imo.
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Originally posted by Kahi
At least you could tell what tf was going on in BvS. I hated the camera work in the first few Transformers movies.
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Yes, definitely. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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its getting TRASHED by the reviews. someone on my facebook pointed out that these days, critics will review anything positively to encourage people to spend their money in the cinema rather than download illegally, so a movie would have to be, like, Shyamalan levels of bad to earn so many terrible reviews from so many critics.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by TheLastChord
WB is really in a harsh spot right here.
Justice League is so far into preproduction that replacing Zak would means losing $$$ and also pushing back the movie.
Leaving Zack OBVIOUSLY is almost 90% sure that he'll make the same mistakes.
Also, is the Justice League franchise going to catter only to late teens and young adults? I'm not saying they should make it super light, but THERE WILL BE KIDS IN BVS SHOWS, and they WILL be scared, and parents WILL be thrown off.
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that's their fault. any idiot with a brain would have read the reviews for Man Of Suck and known most of the blame fell on Zack Snyder's terrible directing. people lambasted the monochrome color scheme, the boring plotline, the overly long fight scenes, the fact that the movie could have been cut in half and nothing would be lost ... all those are faults of the director. and yet, they chose to make him head honcho of everything as if he was Christopher Nolan  they dug their own grave. Marvel would have canned his ass the day after premiere.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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this article explain well why 33% doesnt mean it's getting trashed but that it's mixed:
http://comicandscreen.blogspot.ch/20...views.html?m=1
basically if you look at rottentomatoes the average is 5.2/10 from the critics.....if it would be 6/10 those reviews would all be fresh. so the movie is getting mostly mixed reviews, not negatives.
you can also see this on metacritic, where most of the reviews are rated as mixed.
it's just a very dividing movie.
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mixed reviews is one short step away from trashed, and we all know the reviews and ratings slide down after opening week. if its already getting mixed reviews on opening day, you can expect it to get trashed 3 months from now when most people have seen it.
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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Originally posted by Flawfree
mixed reviews is one short step away from trashed, and we all know the reviews and ratings slide down after opening week. if its already getting mixed reviews on opening day, you can expect it to get trashed 3 months from now when most people have seen it.
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uhhhhh, not at all lol. mixed reviews are mixed reviews. some people love it, some people hate it, some people are in the middle. period.
and just as easily as people can begin to hate it and trash it 3 months from now, they could also learn to appreciate it. you know how many films that are regarded as classics today were panned upon release? that's not to say this movie will be regarded as a classic because critics i trust have said the movie is very flawed and it's being attributed to zack's poor directing, which is something that won't get better with time. BUT my point is some people are overreacting. mixed reviews indicate that it's entirely up to each individual to decide whether they like this film or not. NOT that it's a horrible film that no one should see. some critics who have given it poor reviews have at least said it's worth experiencing at least once.
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hopefully the movie still makes the money warner brothers wants so the entire dceu isn't derailed just because zack seems to have flopped again. they can still pick things back up if they want. but am praying for justice league if zack remains attached, which he likely will. maybe ben can shadow direct or they just convince him to take the director's seat officially? (idk if that'd cause a production delay since idk how these things work, but i doubt it since he's scheduled to shoot for it anyway).
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Originally posted by mariah.
uhhhhh, not at all lol. mixed reviews are mixed reviews. some people love it, some people hate it, some people are in the middle. period.
and just as easily as people can begin to hate it and trash it 3 months from now, they could also learn to appreciate it. you know how many films that are regarded as classics today were panned upon release? that's not to say this movie will be regarded as a classic because critics i trust have said the movie is very flawed and it's being attributed to zack's poor directing, which is something that won't get better with time. BUT my point is some people are overreacting. mixed reviews indicate that it's entirely up to each individual to decide whether they like this film or not. NOT that it's a horrible film that no one should see. some critics who have given it poor reviews have at least said it's worth experiencing at least once..
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i'm talking about metacritic ratings. they don't go up over time, they go down. its how the curve works.
and im willing to wager anything that when all is said and done, this film will be more lower rated and highly hated than Man Of Steel. how many superhero movies can you name that became appreciated over time? we're not talking about Citizen Kane here.
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Box Office is making an early $172 million projection.
It's hard to say how the film will behave after that type of opening, but that is a well placed opening. I still think that the film can do $180 million.
Now, I used to think this movie needed to do $400 milliom domestic total in order to ensure the future of thde DCEU in the domestic market. But considering that the drop percetages won't be under 55-60%, they could be even harder, we don't know. It's hard to say how much this movie will gross in total.
If it behaves like Man of Steel, it should JUST get to $400 milllion.
And also, the movie NEEDS to be a success abroad. Usually foreign markets are less aware of critic reviews and things like that.
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Originally posted by Flawfree
i'm talking about metacritic ratings. they don't go up over time, they go down. its how the curve works.
and im willing to wager anything that when all is said and done, this film will be more lower rated and highly hated than Man Of Steel. how many superhero movies can you name that became appreciated over time? we're not talking about Citizen Kane here.
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that's why i said i doubt it because the movie IS flawed, apparently, and not misunderstood.
but does it even matter? who cares if it goes down over time or critical response changes for the worst? by then the money will be made and it's not like the critics can go back and edit their reviews so a new score is clocked (unless i'm mistaken). and audiences are enjoying the movie, which is all warner bros cares about. could the fans change their mind after a couple more viewings without the initial hype? yes. could it make people wary about future films? absolutely. but if dc manages to learn from their mistakes and churn out good films, then the wariness won't matter when word of mouth gets out there. all this is is a speed bump and not the huge, acclaimed kick start they wanted it to be. at the end of the day, the dceu is still in the race... for now.
edit: but if it doesn't make the money they want, then yeah, it's back to the drawing board. they'll probably cancel most of their planned films and focus on wonder woman and batman who are being well received.
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My prediction for the US is 320M. Can't say anything about WW gross without seeing China's reaction.
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Originally posted by mariah.
that's why i said i doubt it because the movie IS flawed, apparently, and not misunderstood.
but does it even matter? who cares if it goes down over time or critical response changes for the worst? by then the money will be made and it's not like the critics can go back and edit their reviews so a new score is clocked (unless i'm mistaken). and audiences are enjoying the movie, which is all warner bros cares about. could the fans change their mind after a couple more viewings without the initial hype? yes. could it make people wary about future films? absolutely. but if dc manages to learn from their mistakes and churn out good films, then the wariness won't matter when word of mouth gets out there. all this is is a speed bump and not the huge, acclaimed kick start they wanted it to be. at the end of the day, the dceu is still in the race... for now.
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well, Man Of Steel failed to hit the $1 billion mark, and most people think its because the bad reviews of the movie is what caused the GP to not go see it. TDK & TDKR were critic darlings and hit the $1 billion mark easy. So over time, failing to hit $1 billion + mixed reviews + public opinion growing worse over time added up to make MoS seem like a flop. that's why they had to inject Batman into this film to revive interest in the first place.
so we could be looking at history repeating itself. bad reviews = public taking notice = choosing not to go see it = lower sales + people who DID see it walk out unhappy and add on to the bad ratings = another flop when we look back and judge in hindsight
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Originally posted by Flawfree
well, Man Of Steel failed to hit the $1 billion mark, and most people think its because the bad reviews of the movie is what caused the GP to not go see it. TDK & TDKR were critic darlings and hit the $1 billion mark easy. So over time, failing to hit $1 billion + mixed reviews + public opinion growing worse over time added up to make MoS seem like a flop. that's why they had to inject Batman into this film to revive interest in the first place.
so we could be looking at history repeating itself. bad reviews = public taking notice = choosing not to go see it = lower sales + people who DID see it walk out unhappy and add on to the bad ratings = another flop when we look back and judge in hindsight
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you absolutely CANNOT compare a superman film to a film that has the trinity together on screen for the first time ever. there's GENERATIONS of people waiting to see this and they will at least once regardless of what critics have to say. no one was really waiting to see that sudden, nolan-wannabe superman reboot that, at the time, no one knew would lead to the dceu. man of steel was NEVER grossing $1 billion especially because he's never been as big of a draw as batman (who critics and fans are praising in this, which will put butts in seats). like, i know people who are going to see this just to see wonder woman on screen for the first time, not giving a damn if she's a glorified cameo. unlike man of steel, this is an event film. bad reviews won't matter. i mean, look at the transformers series which continues to do $1 billion despite ACTUALLY being dragged by the critics. you're really exaggerating the critical effect and being way too cynical, almost like you want this to fail lol.
if the fans enjoy it, it'll do fine.
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But fan reviews have been kind of mixed too. They're globally not as negative as the "official" critic reviews, but geek/comic book sites are not praising it either
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Originally posted by TaylorNation
But fan reviews have been kind of mixed too. They're globally not as negative as the "official" critic reviews, but geek/comic book sites are not praising it either
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yeah, i'm not saying it's being praised, but a lot of people are enjoying it at the moment. plus the blog ivi linked highlights the geek/comic book sites you're talking about and it's all positive leaning except one. outside the spectrum of fandoms/online communities, i've yet to hear someone say not to see it unless they never cared for it to begin with.
i still don't think this is a franchise killer like a lot of fans think. i'd wait it out for the box office to take into account with the mixed reception.
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it has the same metascore as the worst reviewed Twilight, and worse than Fifty Shades of Grey.
so if you're fine with that level of critical reception...
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I can't wait to see tonight! 
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It was so much better than I expected! Good plot, action, CGI, dark throughout, no cheesy 'LOL' moments etc.
DC really stepped up their game, and will convert everyone else with Suicide Squad. A much better effort than Deadpool, Avengers 2 etc.
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Yahoo UK asked the cast if they saw the reviews, lmao
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Ben shouldn't be too sad. I just saw the movie and he actually did a good job. Zack, on the other hand...
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